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Fwd: Invitation to At-Large / ALAC members to attend NCUC's policy conference in Toronto on Friday 12 October "Security & Freedom in a Connected World"
by Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Oct. 4, 2012

Oct. 4, 2012

Dear All, I have just received this invitation. Having attended previous conferences organised by the NCUC, I can thoroughly recommend that you go, if you have the ability to arrive in time for Friday 12 October. I have registered and will pass by the conference. All details below. Kind regards, Olivier -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Invitation to At-Large / ALAC members to attend NCUC's policy conference in Toronto on Friday 12 October "Security & Freedom in a Connected World" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:58:43 -0700 From: Robin Gross <robin(a)ipjustice.org> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> CC: Brenden Kuerbis <bnkuerbi(a)syr.edu> Dear Olivier: I am writing to invite you and your At-Large / ALAC members to attend NCUC's policy conference in Toronto on Friday 12 October at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel. "ICANN & Internet Governance: Security & Freedom in a Connected World" <http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45> < http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45 > NCUC hopes the conference sessions will be of some interest to your members and welcomes the attendance and participation of your members at the conference next Friday. Please see the event announcement below, which I invite you to share with your members, and let me know if you have any questions about this event. Thank you very much. Best, Robin ### *Top Civil Society Leaders Converge in Toronto for /"ICANN & Internet Governance: Security and Freedom in a Connected World"/* *Cyber-Security Expert Ron Deibert and new ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade Address Non-Commercial Users Policy Conference on Eve of ICANN #45* - Public interest groups involved in ICANN will gather for the event, "ICANN & Internet Governance: Security & Freedom in a Connected World" <http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45> on Friday 12 October at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel in Toronto, Canada. Sponsored by the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC), the voice of civil society in ICANN, the policy conference will focus on key ICANN policy issues like the need to promote both cyber-security and human rights in the development of global Internet policies. The event kicks-off with a morning address from cyber-security expert Ron Deibert, Director of the Canada Centre for Global Security Studies and The Citizen Lab, an inter-disciplinary research and development hothouse at the University of Toronto. Deibert will address the need to establish a cyber-security strategy for global civil society. "Cyberspace is at a watershed moment. Global civil society, now increasingly recognised as an important stakeholder in cyberspace governance, needs to step up to the challenge," said Deibert. "What is required is nothing less than a serious and comprehensive security strategy for cyberspace that addresses the very real threats that plague governments and corporations, addresses national and other security concerns in a forthright manner, while protecting and preserving open networks of information and communication." The afternoon sessions begin with welcoming remarks from Fadi Chehade, ICANN's new Chief Executive Officer, a Lebanese-Egyptian IT entrepreneur, who took the helm of ICANN last month and pronounced he was committed to strengthening the multi-stakeholder process of Internet governance. Additional speakers at NCUC's policy conference include Fiona Alexander from the U.S. Commerce Department and other governmental representatives. The all-day event's four panel sessions include participation from ICANN board members and senior staff, civil society and Internet business leaders. The conference will explore a broad range of ICANN policy issues including privacy concerns related to the whois policy that requires the publication of registrants' personal data and discussion of ongoing negotiations with law enforcement agencies regarding a related policy that privacy authorities have called "unlawful". The geopolitical landscape of Internet governance models and the shifting role of stakeholders will be addressed by experts from around the world. NCUC's conference will also explore policy issues related to controversial new domain names such as protection for freedom of expression in the face of cultural differences and sensitivities. Concerns about intellectual property rights and new top-level domain names remains an area under rapid development and will be ripe for discussion as well as activities related to extra-territorial domain name seizures. Including human rights principles in ICANN policy development will be considered, in addition to ways civil society can become involved in the development of ICANN policies, which impact Internet users worldwide. NCUC represents more than 250 noncommercial organizations and individuals from around the world on ICANN policy matters and was formed in 1999 in Berlin at one of ICANN's earliest meetings. Currently NCUC represents a wide range of non-commercial interests in ICANN policy development including universities and educational institutions, human rights organizations, development, promotion of the arts, children's welfare, scientific research, community networking, and many other non-commercial interests. NCUC participates at ICANN as a constituency within the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO), which makes ICANN policy recommendations and selects board members. "The conference subtitle recognizes our shared twin goals of security and freedom, and questions to what extent must we sacrifice one for the other," said meeting organizer Robin Gross of NCUC and IP Justice, a civil liberties organization based in San Francisco. The constituency's 2012 Toronto conference builds on the policy conference NCUC held in 2011 in which craigslist.org founder Craig Newmark addressed the ICANN community in San Francisco. The 2012 conference concludes with an evening reception at the historic Fairmont Royal York overlooking the beautiful Canadian waterfront. The event is free to attend and open the public, but advance registration is required because space is limited. NCUC's conference is held with support from the Brazilian Internet Steering Registry CGI.br, the Public Interest Registry (PIR), and ICANN. Civil Society event partners include The Citizen Lab, the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) and the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) based at the University of Ottawa. Conference sessions will be audiocast live and archived for later downloading, and remote participation will be available from the event's website via Adobe Connect for those not able to travel to Toronto on 12 October. For event details including conference schedule, speaker list, remote participation details, and to register to the event: _http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45_ Contact for more information: Robin Gross, IP Justice Email: _Robin(a)ipjustice.org_ <mailto:Robin@ipjustice.org> Brenden Kuerbis, Internet Governance Project & University of Syracuse Email: _bnkuerbi(a)syr.edu_ <mailto:bnkuerbi@syr.edu> NCUC website: _http://www.ncuc.org_ <http://www.ncuc.org/> ### IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin(a)ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>

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NCUC Policy Conference 12 Oct in Toronto
by William Drake Oct. 4, 2012

Oct. 4, 2012

Hi Everyone in Toronto on Friday 12th is most welcome to attend (the program as well as the cocktails;-) so feel free to share. Registration and program at http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45 Best, Bill ----------- NCUC Press Release - 3 October 2012 Civil Society Leaders Converge in Toronto for "ICANN & Internet Governance: Security and Freedom in a Connected World" Cyber-Security Expert Ron Deibert and new ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade Address Non-Commercial Users Policy Conference on Eve of ICANN #45 Public interest groups involved in ICANN will gather for the event, "ICANN & Internet Governance: Security & Freedom in a Connected World" on Friday 12 October at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel in Toronto, Canada. Sponsored by the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC), the voice of civil society in ICANN, the policy conference will focus on key ICANN policy issues like the need to promote both cyber-security and human rights in the development of global Internet policies. The event kicks-off with a morning address from cyber-security expert Ron Deibert, Director of the Canada Centre for Global Security Studies and The Citizen Lab, an inter-disciplinary research and development hothouse at the University of Toronto. Deibert will address the need to establish a cyber-security strategy for global civil society. "Cyberspace is at a watershed moment. Global civil society, now increasingly recognised as an important stakeholder in cyberspace governance, needs to step up to the challenge," said Deibert. "What is required is nothing less than a serious and comprehensive security strategy for cyberspace that addresses the very real threats that plague governments and corporations, addresses national and other security concerns in a forthright manner, while protecting and preserving open networks of information and communication." The afternoon sessions begin with welcoming remarks from Fadi Chehade, ICANN's new Chief Executive Officer, a Lebanese-Egyptian IT entrepreneur, who took the helm of ICANN last month and pronounced he was committed to strengthening the multi-stakeholder process of Internet governance. Additional speakers at NCUC's policy conference include Fionna Alexander from the U.S. Commerce Department and other governmental representatives. The all-day event's four panel sessions include participation from ICANN board members and senior staff, civil society and Internet business leaders. The conference will explore a broad range of ICANN policy issues including privacy concerns related to the whois policy that requires the publication of registrants' personal data and discussion of ongoing negotiations with law enforcement agencies regarding a related policy that privacy authorities have called "unlawful". The geopolitical landscape of Internet governance models and the shifting role of stakeholders will be addressed by experts from around the world. NCUC's conference will also explore policy issues related to controversial new domain names such as protection for freedom of expression in the face of cultural differences and sensitivities. Concerns about intellectual property rights and new top-level domain names remains an area under rapid development and will be ripe for discussion as well as activities related to extra-territorial domain name seizures. Including human rights principles in ICANN policy development will be considered, in addition to ways civil society can become involved in the development of ICANN policies, which impact Internet users worldwide. NCUC represents more than 250 noncommercial organizations and individuals from around the world on ICANN policy matters and was formed in 1999 in Berlin at one of ICANN's earliest meetings. Currently NCUC represents a wide range of non-commercial interests in ICANN policy development including universities and educational institutions, human rights organizations, development, promotion of the arts, children's welfare, scientific research, community networking, and many other non-commercial interests. NCUC participates at ICANN as a constituency within the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO), which makes ICANN policy recommendations and selects board members. "The conference subtitle recognizes our shared twin goals of security and freedom, and questions to what extent must we sacrifice one for the other," said meeting organizer Robin Gross of NCUC and IP Justice, a civil liberties organization based in San Francisco. The constituency's 2012 Toronto conference builds on the policy conference NCUC held in 2011 in which craigslist.org founder Craig Newmark addressed the ICANN community in San Francisco. The 2012 conference concludes with an evening reception at the historic Fairmont Royal York overlooking the beautiful Canadian waterfront. The event is free to attend and open the public, but advance registration is required because space is limited. NCUC's conference is held with support from the Brazilian Internet Steering Registry CGI.br, the Public Interest Registry (PIR), and ICANN. Civil Society event partners include The Citizen Lab, the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) and the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) based at the University of Ottawa. Conference sessions will be audiocast live and archived for later downloading, and remote participation will be available from the event's website via Adobe Connect for those not able to travel to Toronto on 12 October. For event details including conference schedule, speaker list, remote participation details, and to register to the event: http://www.amiando.com/NCUC-ICANN45 Contact for more information: Robin Gross, IP Justice Email: Robin(a)ipjustice.org Brenden Keurbis, Internet Governance Project & University of Syracuse Email: bnkuerbi(a)syr.edu *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland william.drake(a)uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org ****************************************************

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Board solicitation of input on how it should receive input and advice
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 4, 2012

Oct. 4, 2012

I call your attention to a recently opened Public Comment in which the ICANN Board solicits input on how it should receive input and advice in making its decisions. I have been asked by Olivier to lead the development of an ALAC contribution, supported by Cheryl. The public comment description can be found at http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/input-advice-function-24sep12-e…. Input should preferably be made to the At-Large Wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/K5AoAg. If anyone cannot cannot access the Wiki to submit comments, please submit your comments to this list WITH AN EXPLICIT REQUEST TO POST TO THE WIKI at the start of the message. The comment period ends shortly after the ICANN meeting. I normally have abundant time to work on such statement en route to ICANN meetings, but in this case my flight time is under an hour, so my work-methods must change. PLEASE your thoughts by the end of the day (wherever you are) next Tuesday, October 9th. Hopefully draft will be prepared for discussion and then decision during the ICANN week. Alan

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Alternate Model Trademark Clearinghouse Call on October 9th, 9 am Eastern US Time
by Neuman, Jeff Oct. 3, 2012

Oct. 3, 2012

All, As most of you are aware, ICANN posted its proposed implementation model of the TMCH earlier this year, with the most recent drafts posted on September 24, 2012 (http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-7-24sep12-en.htm) For a number of months, several registries and registrars have been working on an alternate mechanism for implementing the Trademark Clearinghouse at least with respect to how the Clearinghouse interacts with the gTLD Registries and Registrars. A paper discussing the issues presented by the proposed ICANN implementation model along with our proposed alternate Sunrise and Trademark Claims models has now been posted by ICANN at: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse/sunrise-model-26… http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse/claims-model-26s… http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse/model-issues-26s… ICANN has graciously volunteered its resources to host a call on October 9th at 9am Eastern US time for the authors of the alternate models to discuss our models and rationale. We wanted to make sure that you all were aware of the call as well. This call will be good preparation for the meeting in a couple of weeks in Toronto. I hope that ICANN will send out a more formal announcement about the call. But just in case they do not, here is the call-in information that ICANN has given me. Conference ID: 93759 Dial-in numbers for each country: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ Adobe Connect Room at: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/tmch/ If you have any questions, please let us know. I have included the other authors on this email chain as well. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs 46000 Center Oak Plaza, Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman(a)neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/>

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African Internet Governance Forum [Livestreaming]
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 3, 2012

Oct. 3, 2012

Dear All, The African Internet Governance Forum is streaming live from Cairo, Egypt, you can participate via http://bambuser.com/v/3031041 <http://t.co/USyO3pdE> Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Social Media and Star Wars #May the force be with you
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Oct. 2, 2012

Oct. 2, 2012

Dear All, I read this with much interest today.This was the US Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs, Tara Sonenshine's speech. Cheers, Sala *Message Starts* Remarks for Pacific Council on International Policy Remarks Tara Sonenshine Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs As Prepared for Delivery Los Angeles, CA October 2, 2012 ------------------------------ Thank you Ernie, for that introduction. And my special thanks to the Pacific Council for hosting me, and the Southern California Gas Company for sponsoring the luncheon. Until three weeks ago, I was going to talk to you about social media. The subtitle to that was “The Arab Spring and Beyond.” But developments since then have conspired to make us all expand our understandings of the post-Arab Spring. I mention this to show you how quickly things can change around the world – in large part because of social media. In fact, I would go so far as to say, social media has evolved into the most powerful, galvanizing catalyst of our time – for better and for worse. It is arguably as significant an event in our shared human history as the industrial revolution. Let’s be clear: Social media is a neutral entity. It is the human use of it that matters. It was humans interacting with – or responding to – social media, that contributed significantly to the Arab Spring, and also to the violent protests we saw across the region in the past weeks. To be sure there were other factors: rampant unemployment among young people; autocratic regimes exploiting their citizens and depriving them of any political voice; religious animosity; and so forth. But social media was certainly a leveraging force. In the first instance, we saw social media as a catalyst for largely positive change. In Tunisia, a fruit seller immolated himself to protest the loss of his dignity. Thanks to social media that desperate act led to a revolution that galvanized the region – and set course for a long and bumpy road towards democratization. In the second instance, in the past weeks, we’ve seen violence in many countries – from Khartoum to Cairo, Tunis, and Benghazi – directed at our diplomatic Missions and personnel. Many protestors were outraged by a reprehensible video uploaded here in America. As you know, the United States Government had nothing to do with the video, and soundly condemned its message and content. Many in the region did not understand the freedom of expression that we have here, and responded with outrage. But, I should note, many more did not take to the streets. Relatively small crowds in a handful of countries drew the headlines, rather than the “silent majorities” who stayed home. Since we are in LA, let me use a movie metaphor – and I don’t think it’s so off base. Social media is like the Force in “Star Wars.” At almost every point of the way, the prospect of good or bad looms large. It all depends on the humans using it. In the case of the Arab Spring, social media was – largely – a force of good. In the latter case, it went to the dark side. Today, I want to talk about why it’s so important to use it as a force for good – and what the State Department is doing to make that happen. First, let me share a few facts about social media. Every second, one hour of video is uploaded to YouTube. Every two hours, that total becomes nine months’ worth. By the end of every single day, the equivalent of a decade is uploaded every day. Now listen to this: Every 10 days, a whole century is uploaded. I am going to quote from an article written by James K. Glassman – one of my predecessors as Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy. In the past four years, the number of Facebook accounts worldwide has increased sevenfold – and there has been significant growth in countries critical to U.S. security. In Egypt, there were 800,000 Facebook accounts in mid-2008; today, there are 12 million. In Pakistan, the increase has gone from 250,000 to 7 million; in Turkey, from 3 million to 31 million. Twitter, which barely existed in 2008, is growing even faster. These quantum leaps in connection technologies are changing, literally, everything. People are consuming and producing information in profoundly different ways. Political and cultural movements have become transnational. In short, power is decentralizing. More people are playing a role in international relations than ever. Secretary Clinton has called upon all of us to adopt and institutionalize 21st Century Statecraft, so we can remain at the forefront of the world’s most vibrant conversations. By listening and responding through social media, we can create a vibrant two-way dialogue with the world in ways we never have before. But there are challenges. As we have seen, the effect of social media on human nature – and vice versa – has serious consequences. In these Internet-influenced times, we are in the business of fighting for attention – and responding ever more quickly. In the case of Twitter, we have to do it all in the space of 140 characters [or less.] Imagine how many things can go wrong with up to seven billion global citizens – all thumb-texting from the hip. It boggles the mind. As a government and, frankly, as everyday citizens – we have to fight rumor with facts, meet tyrannical outbursts with calm arguments about freedom, and in general, speak to the best in all people. But in the 21st century, no one is waiting for us to play catch up. We have to respond in real time, with frequency, at speed – and get it right. In the case of Libya and its aftermath, we are working to do just that. We are engaging audiences everywhere about our staunch belief in freedom of expression – and our unbreakable position on religious tolerance. In fact, Secretary Clinton just released an important video on Youtube expressing those ideas. And if I can, I’d like to share the link with everyone. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5TP4fQos8&feature=youtu.be ] As President Obama says on that video: in the United States, we see no contradiction between our strong religious beliefs and our defense of those who would utter the worst blasphemies against them. The point is: we need to be out there at the reactive end – presenting our counter argument to the false, the hateful and the cynical. We do that through our Center for Strategic Counter Terrorism Communications, where we actively engage online with targeted groups where not only jihadists – but the more persuadable audiences are present. When we enter that digital space and challenge their messages, we force the uncommitted to pay attention to a different point of view. We engage proactively, with audiences of young people, women and girls, and other underserved communities to reinforce their most positive aspirations. We also work to redirect them from voices that would convert their frustrations as well as hopes and dreams for negative, extremist purposes. Recently, I wrote a blog posting on our State Department website. I spoke about the great social media toolbox that we use in so many ways to reach out. U.S. Ambassadors are introducing themselves to citizens through video messages broadcast online and via local media. They are holding web chats with the public. And it has become practically unthinkable for them not to have a Twitter account. In fact Ambassador Roos’ Twitter feeds during the earthquake disaster in Japan became one of the most widely used information resources during that period. And in Madagascar, when rumors were mounting that the former President had hidden himself in our embassy after he was deposed, our Embassy’s Twitter feed helped to quash them – and reduce tensions. We are even connecting with foreign publics in non-permissive environments, such as Cuba or Iran, through our virtual embassies and SMS text campaigns The traditional State Department briefing podium is not gone. In fact, it matters more than ever – and we are giving it new amplification power. Our State Department social media accounts and those of our embassies disseminate press briefings, speeches, media notes, videos, and online materials everywhere. We are conducting virtual press conferences with journalists on every continent through our "LiveAtState" program. We have U.S. International Media Hubs working across the world to communicate our messages and help explain U.S. policy. Beyond the podium, we recognize that speaking with people, and listening to them, is an integral part of the policy process. That is the essence of public diplomacy. Just three months ago, we had 10 million followers on our various Facebook pages. We now have 15 million, including the Our Planet page – and pages in Arabic, Persian, Russian, Spanish, and French. Our Embassy in Pakistan has over 500,000 Facebook fans, and the Mission uses this platform as part of its outreach strategy to amplify messages. So you can see how fast we are growing. We reach out to hundreds of thousands of people every single day through exchange programs, roundtables, and outreach to religious scholars and NGO leaders, businesspeople and entrepreneurs, students and educational advisors. Many people do not realize this, but we have more than 800 “American Spaces” around the world. These spaces – whether they are corners in libraries or rooms at binational centers – give foreign citizens the chance to learn English. They can meet and interact with American subject-matter experts. They can find information on study abroad opportunities in the U.S. All of this can be particularly effective in countries where Internet access is limited or restricted. And here in the United States, we hold discussions with students across the United States through our Foreign Policy Classrooms program. The result of these efforts is a more informed, more engaged, and global citizenry, which is vital to the long-terms interests of the United States from the vantage point of economic prosperity and security. In short, public diplomacy goes on, despite all the vicissitudes of global events. We are communicating and engaging every second of every day. As the pioneer of public diplomacy Edward R. Murrow, once said, we are working to close that crucial link: the last three feet. In that spirit – a two-way conversation – I am anxious to hear from you. So let me sum up what I have said. Social media is a neutral tool. It is a challenge and an opportunity. If left to irresponsible and cynical voices, it can create divisions. If used in positive ways, it can bring people together. We know which side of that divide we stand on – and we are working every day to make sure we push that positive agenda. Let me also say this: government is not the only agent in this. Far from it. It is people like you: students, global citizens, people of conscience, who can share positive information and create positive networks. By working together and using social media as a tool of positive communication, we can win the battle for the best in humanity. Right now, and in the near future, I look forward to hearing from all of you about the ways we can continue to do that. Thank you. *The Office of Website Management, Bureau of Public Affairs, manages this site as a portal for information from the U.S. State Department. External links to other Internet sites should not be construed as an endorsement of the views or privacy policies contained therein.* -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Facebook on [U.S. Federal] Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA)
by Carlton Samuels Oct. 2, 2012

Oct. 2, 2012

.....Facebook is in a dogfight with the FCC about proposal to change liability re website operator's use - or allowing the use - of plugins. U.S. Congress delegated rule making to the FCC for implementing COPPA. Facebook says, among other things, "a '*like*' counts as free speech"! The letter is, IMO, quite a good example of an advocacy piece that covers every inch of ground it sees. Follows the maxim attributed to a very successful trial lawyer from Texas: 'when the facts are against your position, plead the law. And when the law don't cooperate, plead the facts'. Or, words to that effect. The filing is attached. Read an opinion piece on it here: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/facebook-says-child-privacy-laws-s… - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 28, 2012

Sept. 28, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 06:17, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: > At 26/09/2012 12:47 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >>> It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get >>> a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. >>> Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. >> >> Quite right. Mail verification is a solved problem. >> >>> Phone verification is a lot more costly, >> >> I'm not sure I believe that. I use a variety of services that verify >> transactions by calling my phone number and speaking a code number I have >> to type into their web site. Given how low value some of the transactions >> are, they can't be spending much on their IVR system. > > Good point. Still more costly than nothing, especially for a smaller > registrar with a low volume, and also for those who handle > out-of-country registrations. But by more expensive, I suspect we are > still talking pennies in most cases. No - it's quite a lot more. Stuart Lawley gave some numbers which I think were in the region of $7 / domain. You can probably do it for a lower price if you are only dealing with your home market, but the internet is global .. While this might not be an issue if you are in North America and only want to deal with big North American registrars, it becomes a problem when you move outside that .. As you all know there are several regions of the world that are not particularly well served in terms of registrars etc., If ICANN / LEA push the phone verification too far then they'll be widening the digital divide .. > > >>> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >>> again. >> >> My, you're an optimist. > > Not really. Just trying to put a good twist on a very sad story. And > I kinda like the concept of moving forward and making NEW stupid mistakes... > > Alan > > >> R's, >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Weekly posting summary for at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
by Thomas Narten Sept. 28, 2012

Sept. 28, 2012

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Re: [At-Large] [WHOIS-WG] Article 29 Party To ICANN
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

On 28 Sep 2012, at 00:04, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for posting this Michele. Mildly interesting development. mildly? Seriously?? I > > For one, These Article 29 fellas are behind the curve on the changes in ICANN leadership I fail to see how any change in ICANN leadership is relevant to their letter > . For I'm sure Fadi Chehade's ascension to CEO was announced almost 2 weeks before their note, dated 26th September here. Anyhoo, makes for a perfect takeoff point. > > So now, the Article 29 fellas object to annual - yes, annual - verification of email and phone numbers of registrants. But not before they groused that the original purpose of the WHOIS was recorded as to facilitate contact on 'technical' issues! And any other use is, ipso facto, at least unsporting, if not illegal. Yes - they're right You may not like it, but that's what whois was originally designed to do > > We are back in time. > > Here's another telling observation. They feel the 'root cause' for inaccurate WHOIS data is 'the unlimited public accessibility of private contact details in the WHOIS database'! Yes and I'd agree. As a registrar we get a lot of our clients complaining about their details being made available in public whois > > Well.... um.....let me tell you a story. Back in the day when you go to Disneyland - the one in California - they had a target shooting game out front. When you missed, an old cowboy image would up and chortle 'lock up the wimmin' and chil'ren, Ol' Cockeye's got a gun'. This position does nothing but give comfort and succor to the common crooks now plaguing us. > > Mind you, I could get mildly stimulated by the reasoning they used to deplore the requirement for data retention for 2 years after a contract has expired. Yes, that is excessive and unwarranted. And that is the only positive thing I can say with good grace. > > It is always intriguing to me that those who argue for unfettered privacy rights for registrants always conflate and make indivisible the interests of registrants with those of ordinary users. And quite apart from the fact that the Article 29 folks seem to submerge the interests of all 2+billion worldwide Internet users to those of registrants who are EU citizens - or, maybe, the 20% or so of Internet users who are EU citizens - I'm wondering whether they were party to the Safe Harbour protocols? Maybe Madame forgot their invitation to the last hi-level conference in DC? I think you're confusing things Have a read over what ICANN / LEA is asking Have a look at PCI / DSS Have a proper read over the Article 29 letter > > Then again, I might change my mind when I see what they make of the CleanIT project. Clean IT's proposals are insane > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: > http://www.internetnews.me/2012/09/27/article-29-working-party-deem-raa-ask… > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection > http://www.blacknight.com/ > http://www.dotwhat.co/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://mneylon.tel/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Locall: 1850 929 929 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > _______________________________________________ > WHOIS-WG mailing list > WHOIS-WG(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/whois-wg > > WHOIS WG Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Whois+Policy > -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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