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Re: [At-Large] [WHOIS-WG] Article 29 Party To ICANN
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Thanks for posting this Michele. Mildly interesting development. For one, These Article 29 fellas are behind the curve on the changes in ICANN leadership. For I'm sure Fadi Chehade's ascension to CEO was announced almost 2 weeks before their note, dated 26th September here. Anyhoo, makes for a perfect takeoff point. So now, the Article 29 fellas object to annual - yes, annual - verification of email and phone numbers of registrants. But not before they groused that the original purpose of the WHOIS was recorded as to facilitate contact on 'technical' issues! And any other use is, ipso facto, at least unsporting, if not illegal. We are back in time. Here's another telling observation. They feel the 'root cause' for inaccurate WHOIS data is 'the unlimited public accessibility of private contact details in the WHOIS database'! Well.... um.....let me tell you a story. Back in the day when you go to Disneyland - the one in California - they had a target shooting game out front. When you missed, an old cowboy image would up and chortle '*lock up the wimmin' and chil'ren, Ol' Cockeye's got a gun*'. This position does nothing but give comfort and succor to the common crooks now plaguing us. Mind you, I could get mildly stimulated by the reasoning they used to deplore the requirement for data retention for 2 years after a contract has expired. Yes, that is excessive and unwarranted. And that is the only positive thing I can say with good grace. It is always intriguing to me that those who argue for unfettered privacy rights for registrants always conflate and make indivisible the interests of registrants with those of ordinary users. And quite apart from the fact that the Article 29 folks seem to submerge the interests of all 2+billion worldwide Internet users to those of registrants who are EU citizens - or, maybe, the 20% or so of Internet users who are EU citizens - I'm wondering whether they were party to the Safe Harbour protocols? Maybe Madame forgot their invitation to the last hi-level conference in DC? Then again, I might change my mind when I see what they make of the CleanIT project. - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" < michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: > > http://www.internetnews.me/2012/09/27/article-29-working-party-deem-raa-ask… > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection > http://www.blacknight.com/ > http://www.dotwhat.co/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://mneylon.tel/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Locall: 1850 929 929 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > _______________________________________________ > WHOIS-WG mailing list > WHOIS-WG(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/whois-wg > > WHOIS WG Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Whois+Policy >

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Dot Triple X to launch Search Engine
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

...on top of success? To quote 'The top-level domain has 240,000 names registered since it launched last December. About 80,000 of those are defensive registrations to protect trademarks, Lawley said. The company's original forecast in its 2004 application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) for the .xxx TLD had 125,000 names registered in the first five years of .xxx, Lawley said.' http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/437553/_xxx_launch_porn_search_engi… - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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CTU WCIT Preparatory Invite and Registration
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Dear All, I would like to invite you all to the Caribbean Telecommunications Union WCIT preparatory meeting that will be held in Trinidad and Tobago. I am attaching your Invitations. There are some who will attend on-site, and others remotely. Remote participation is extremely welcome. The objective is to give people the opportunity to discuss diverse perspectives relating to WCIT. For more information, visit: http://www.ctu.int/ Thank you and kind regards, Sala ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bevil Wooding <Bevil.Wooding(a)congresswbn.org> Date: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM Subject: CTU WCIT Preparatory Invite and Registration To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com)" < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> Find attached as discussed.**** ** ** ** ** BMW**** -----------------------------------**** Bevil M. Wooding**** *Chief Knowledge Officer* Congress WBN**** ** ** [M] +868 682-0627 ● [W]+868 663 5673 ● [F] +868 662 1750**** ** ** Ethical initiatives for Nations Development**** http://www.congresswbn.org**** ** ** ** ** -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 11:35, Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:25 PM, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" > <michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: >> >> On 26 Sep 2012, at 05:47, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >> >>>> It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get >>>> a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. >>>> Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. >>> >>> Quite right. Mail verification is a solved problem. >> >> Yes and no >> >> it's solved only if you assume that all domain registrations are done via websites .. They're not >> >> > > What other methods are used? Several of the registrars take orders in person or over the phone In some countries credit cards etc., aren't that widely used .. > > Feeling like this will be a dense question, but I can only think of > ccTLDs using manual or semi-manual systems of completed forms sent by > email or fax (in themselves with the level verification being asked > built in). > > And do you know if there's a breakdown of how registrations are > completed by method (x % by web, x % by fax, x % other means?) I wouldn't have those figures - sorry > > Adam > > > >>> >>>> Phone verification is a lot more costly, >>> >>> I'm not sure I believe that. I use a variety of services that verify >>> transactions by calling my phone number and speaking a code number I have >>> to type into their web site. Given how low value some of the transactions >>> are, they can't be spending much on their IVR system. >>> >>>> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >>>> again. >>> >>> My, you're an optimist. >>> >>> R's, >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> At-Large mailing list >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions ♞ >> Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection >> ICANN Accredited Registrar >> http://www.blacknight.co >> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >> http://blacknight.cat >> http://mneylon.tel >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> US: 213-233-1612 >> Locall: 1850 929 929 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 15:52, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> wrote: > On 26 September 2012 06:24, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" < > michele(a)blacknight.ie> wrote: > > >>> Good point. Still more costly than nothing, especially for a smaller >>> registrar with a low volume, and also for those who handle >>> out-of-country registrations. But by more expensive, I suspect we are >>> still talking pennies in most cases. >> >> No - it's quite a lot more. Stuart Lawley gave some numbers which I think >> were in the region of $7 / domain. >> You can probably do it for a lower price if you are only dealing with your >> home market, but the internet is global .. >> > > The internet may be global, but situations in which a local vendor (or a > foreign vendor with a local presence/partner) has an advantage are hardly > unique to the domain selling biz. Not everything in business can be done by > remote control, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. > > >> As you all know there are several regions of the world that are not >> particularly well served in terms of registrars etc., > > If ICANN / LEA push the phone verification too far then they'll be widening >> the digital divide .. >> > > On the contrary, by your account such a move would encourage more > opportunities for local or regional registrars in areas currently served > only by foreigners. No it wouldn't If there aren't registrars serving a particular area directly there's usually a reason for it ie. it's not economically attractive / viable > > Hmm... improve A&T while promoting domestic industries... you may be onto > something. Some countries have been trying to do this, but they've managed to get it completely backwards eg. Kazakstan that now requires all nameservers to be physically in country - so much for redundancy! > > - Evan > > > > >> >>> >>> >>>>> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >>>>> again. >>>> >>>> My, you're an optimist. >>> >>> Not really. Just trying to put a good twist on a very sad story. And >>> I kinda like the concept of moving forward and making NEW stupid >> mistakes... >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> R's, >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> At-Large mailing list >>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>>> >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> At-Large mailing list >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >>> >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions ♞ >> Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection >> ICANN Accredited Registrar >> http://www.blacknight.co >> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >> http://blacknight.cat >> http://mneylon.tel >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> US: 213-233-1612 >> Locall: 1850 929 929 >> Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > > > > -- > Evan Leibovitch > Toronto Canada > > Em: evan at telly dot org > Sk: evanleibovitch > Tw: el56 > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Message for ALS in Mali!
by Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Dear All. It is with great pleasure that we wish the ALS in Mali, ISOC Mali warm congratulations as you celebrate the 52nd anniversary of your independence this September 22. Happy Independence day! Best Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851

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LAC IGF webcast archive
by Joly MacFie Sept. 27, 2012

Sept. 27, 2012

Unfortunately some of the English audio feed from from the LACIGF was too distorted to get too much but most of it is ok. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fgicolombia-english/videos The Spanish is not so bad and includes video. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fgicolombia/videos If anyone can link one to the other to the name of the session, I could d/l and make a coherent english archive. j On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Carlton Samuels > <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> [BTW, there was a wide-ranging discussion on the issue here at the LACIGF. >> We had a long argy bargy to decide definition.] >> -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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How Neutral is the Net?
by Carlton Samuels Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

...here's a helpful pictorial to answer..... http://netneutralitymap.org/ - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

On 26 Sep 2012, at 05:47, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >> It is almost impossible these days to sign onto a mailing list or get >> a free id on some web site without clicking on a link in an e-mail. >> Yet apparently, you can register a domain name without such a nicety. > > Quite right. Mail verification is a solved problem. Yes and no it's solved only if you assume that all domain registrations are done via websites .. They're not > >> Phone verification is a lot more costly, > > I'm not sure I believe that. I use a variety of services that verify > transactions by calling my phone number and speaking a code number I have > to type into their web site. Given how low value some of the transactions > are, they can't be spending much on their IVR system. > >> Hopefully going forward, we will not make these kind of mistakes >> again. > > My, you're an optimist. > > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.cat http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845

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Re: [At-Large] ICANN News Alert -- Update on Registrar Accreditation Agreement Amendments
by Alan Greenberg Sept. 26, 2012

Sept. 26, 2012

At 26/09/2012 08:46 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >In some instances (i.e. whoever wants to fake their info) email and >telephone verification will be valid just up to the moment the domain gets >registered. Both email and telephone can be made bogus after that. Just >like Yellow Pages books, once they are published they are already >obsolete. > >You can have all the rules in place to try to "verify" who you are by >chequing Email & Tel at the moment of registration but in going forward who >knows who you are if these are not valid anymore. All true. But verification does cover a large subset of issues where deception is not part of the plan, and for those where it is, it complicated the process. >What about using a third party certifier before being able to register a >domain? Kind of a global domain passport? Is this something that can be >considered? I'm not party to the discussions, but my take is that it is certainly possible and would also increase the cost and delay of registering a name (particularly your first one) very significantly. Just think of the effort and cost of getting a certificate for certifying a web site. Whether it is worth that or not, another question. Alan >-ed

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