Antony:
So what if ICANN and IANA have to change their mission statement slightly to make it clear that “one world, one internet” does not include invading nuclear-armed megalomaniacs?  

Wolfgang:
Isn´t it part of the sad reality that we are moving towards "one world, two internet"? Isn´t this the beginning of a "total bifurcation" into a (democratic) "IANA Internet" and an (autocratic) "SCO-Internet" (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation), both with around three billion users where you need a "password" (provided by a special authority) to move from one network to the other one? 

https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/



It is true that root operators could route around ICANN. That would reflect very badly on them, but they could. But how does this excuse ICANN’s shameful silence and inaction? 

Truly, it is time to stand up and be counted among those who would defend the world, and the internet, from murderous autocrats. 

Antony




On Mar 12, 2022, at 12:59 AM, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Unfortunately, it is not an international law issue, otherwise it would be solved without any responsibility by ICANN - just follow the order of the judge.

The problem lies elsewhere, and is whether ICANN is or not an independent authority that can be trusted for following basic principles and apply them evenly in all cases.

If ICANN decides to remove .ru from the root, based on a request by Ukraine (who, by the way, is no longer insisting in asking this, maybe because they have understood the unintended consequences) I don’t see how it could resist the request of removing the ccTLDs of what the US consider “rogue” countries, like Iran, Cuba, and others.

And this besides all what has been said at length in this and other lists, like that it will not make .ru disappear, just invite operators to have their own copy of the root.

This said, there are other actions that ICANN can take, but after having decided whether it will keep its reputation of being a reliable steward for the Internet infrastructure in the global interest or indulge in actions that, while not achieving any practical result, will be emotionally satisfying.

Cheers,
Roberto

On 12.03.2022, at 04:55, SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Prof. Dr. Dr.. via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

It is an international law issue and the main text for conflicts and sovereignty is the UN Charta and its practice.
In law, using the right text is decisive.
Erich Schweighofer

Am 12.03.2022 04:36 schrieb Antony Van Couvering via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>:
The mealy-mouthed opposition to Ukraine’s request to block .RU has exercised me so much that I called up Keith Teare to complain.  Keith is a one-time candidate for ICANN CEO, a former board member of Minds + Machines, founder of Real Names and other companies, and a very smart guy with a good grasp of history and the internet. 

Keith doesn’t really agree with my position, so he suggested that we record a conversation and talk it out.  To me, it turned out well (pardon my video quality. 

For those who’d like to hear a thorough discussion of the issue, here it is:


Summary — all the reasons put forward as to why ICANN can’t do anything — we go through them all — are bullshit.

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