Karl,

your view against "stakeholderism" was obsoleted by events in 1997 in this space, and in society about 5,000 years ago and probably much earlier, as soon as humans started to organize beyond instinctive herd behavior i.e. using what some would call uniquely human brain functions such as abstraction and language. Can we have an update? or just leave them be, and allow the community to concentrate on the issue at hand, which is the use of updated and authoritative lists of centrally coordinated Internet identifiers?

Evan, to quickly extract a soundbite from your statement on sewage, water, and electricity, I love the idea! Municipal DNS is the way to go! Let's explore whether this brilliant, radical, new idea doesn't find hurdles in scalability, innovation, participation, and the fact that the object itself is still being built by many of the same who are its users. Surely there are no significant differences!

Alejandro Pisanty

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 1:54 PM Karl Auerbach via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

On 9/14/23 7:58 AM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large wrote:

This credibility challenge can only be addressed by a radical rethink of ALAC, and changes that go far beyond those of the third-party reviews held to date. These changes keep in mind that the general public attitudes towards ICANN are close to those regarding other kinds of public infrastructure. In other words, most people just don't care until something breaks.

(Funny how other forms of public infrastructure such as sewage, electricity generation, air-travel coordination and roads don't see any calls to be improved through multi-stakeholder governance.)

I'll try to refrain from a pre-ICANN formation, 25+ year old "I told us so". ;-)
But perhaps I'll allude to a 14 year old one:

See page 32-37 of the "Review of the At‐Large Advisory Committee - Final Report
of the ALAC Review Working Group on ALAC Improvements"

(I'll link to a copy on my website - I'm having trouble finding this rather expensive report on ICANN's own website. Perhaps my web search skills are taking the day off.)

https://www.cavebear.com/docs/final-report-alac-review-28jan09-en.pdf

And never bypassing a chance at self promotion, here's my general feeling about "stakeholder" models (summary: it's not a positive feeling.)

Democracy Versus Stakeholderism

https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/

--karl--

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