As a lawyer I must say that this situation represents a legal barbarism. This situation is not generated so that somebody has motioned and some other has supported those motions. This situation takes place because somebody decided without consulting the retardation in presenting the result the election. lamentably for outside this one sees as a manipulation and really shows a situation at least untidy. In my country would be a serious illegal situation. I really believe that there are no unfortunate coincidences. sorry but in this kind of cases I can`t be diplomatic.
 


Carlos Dionisio Aguirre

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> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:32:03 +0330
> From: shahshah@irnic.ir
> To: iza@anr.org
> CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
>
> Izumi, 'bizarre' is too kind of a word for this situation. I agree 100%
> with what you wrote.
> Siavash
>
> > Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would
> > request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you,
> > please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
> >
> > And as you wrote
> >
> > "If the sponsors of these proposals were
> > to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
> >
> > which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit
> > set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good
> > faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva
> > and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much
> > move on this.
> >
> > I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing
> > is becoming bazaar.
> >
> > One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which,
> > I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do
> > you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry.
> > If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really
> > refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it
> > will become more questionable.
> >
> > Jacqueline, it's your turn.
> >
> > izumi
> >
> > 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
> >> Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would
> >> be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once
> >> a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the
> >> vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
> >>
> >> My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the
> >> time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on
> >> BigPulse last night, which once again are:
> >>
> >> 1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so?
> >> 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be
> >> announced forthwith
> >>
> >> The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the
> >> Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality
> >> are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I
> >> could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote
> >> Saturday).
> >>
> >> I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as
> >> quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that
> >> sentiment....)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Nick Ashton-Hart
> >> Director, At-Large
> >> ICANN
> >> PO Box 32160
> >> London N4 2XY
> >> United Kingdom
> >> Main Tel: ]
> >> USA Tel:
> >> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
> >> mobile:
> >> email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
> >> Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /
> >> Skype: nashtonhart
> >> Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original message -----
> >> From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>
> >> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>
> >> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre"
> >> <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide"
> >> <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900
> >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> >> ofDirectors - result ?
> >>
> >> After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and
> >> given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like
> >> to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person
> >> who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result
> >> immediately now.
> >>
> >> sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not
> >> the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and
> >> energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair
> >> will take this into closure.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> izumi
> >>
> >> 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
> >> > Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be
> >> > highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals
> >> were
> >> > to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Nick Ashton-Hart
> >> > Director, At-Large
> >> > ICANN
> >> > PO Box 32160
> >> > London N4 2XY
> >> > United Kingdom
> >> > Main Tel: ]
> >> > USA Tel:
> >> > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
> >> > mobile:
> >> > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
> >> > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /
> >> Skype: nashtonhart
> >> > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original message -----
> >> > From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>
> >> > To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
> >> > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200
> >> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board
> >> > ofDirectors - result ?
> >> >
> >> > Dear Carlos,
> >> >
> >> > I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested
> >> to
> >> > simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
> >> >
> >> > best greetings
> >> > Annette
> >> >
> >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> > > Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
> >> > > Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57
> >> > > An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org>
> >> > > CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> > > Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board ofDirectors - result ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > I particularly don&#381;t agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion
> >> that we can&#381;t vote if we can or not to know wich was the result
> >> of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13
> >> out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also
> >> the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community,
> >> and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result.
> >> I do not know in my experience any situation like this.
> >> > > obviously the committe decide.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> >> > > abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> >> > > * / 423-5423
> >> > > www.sitioderecho.com.ar
> >> > > www.densi.com.ar
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
> >> > > > To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr;
> >> iza@anr.org
> >> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100
> >> > > > CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board ofDirectors - result ?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning
> >> my time
> >> > > > (it is 10PM local time here now)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Regards,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Nick Ashton-Hart
> >> > > > Director, At-Large
> >> > > > ICANN
> >> > > > PO Box 32160
> >> > > > London N4 2XY
> >> > > > United Kingdom
> >> > > > Main Tel: ]
> >> > > > USA Tel:
> >> > > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
> >> > > > mobile:
> >> > > > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org
> >> > > > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /
> >> Skype: nashtonhart
> >> > > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original message -----
> >> > > > From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
> >> > > > To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>,
> >> "'Nick
> >> > > > Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>
> >> > > > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400
> >> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board
> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi
> >> > > > We have 2 motions seconded on the table now -
> >> > > > 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't
> >> able
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
> >> > > > 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't
> >> able
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
> >> > > >
> >> > > > So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up
> >> a
> >> > > > poll or
> >> > > > go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I
> >> seem
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > to be able to right now.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jacqueline
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr]
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16
> >> > > > To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com
> >> > > > Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'
> >> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board
> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I support this motion seconded.
> >> > > > All the best
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sébastien Bachollet
> >> > > > Président
> >> > > > sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr
> >> > > > www.egeni.org
> >> > > > www.isoc.fr
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> >> > > > De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi
> >> AIZU
> >> > > > Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32
> >> > > > Ŕ : jam@jacquelinemorris.com
> >> > > > Cc : At-Large Worldwide
> >> > > > Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN
> >> Board
> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum
> >> > > > allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the
> >> > > > entire vote.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > izumi
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
> >> > > > > We won't know
> >> > > > > But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a
> >> mixup in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has
> >> already
> >> > > > > indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the
> >> RoP vote
> >> > > > > timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but
> >> it was
> >> > > > > already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we
> >> extend the
> >> > > > vote
> >> > > > > for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want.
> >> Nobody
> >> > > > else
> >> > > > > will change their vote, but those 2 should not be
> >> disenfranchised by the
> >> > > > > holiday/moving/miscommunication.
> >> > > > > Jacqueline
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com]
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10
> >> > > > > To: At-Large Worldwide
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the
> >> ICANN Board of
> >> > > > > Directors - result ?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that
> >> indeed we
> >> > > > > > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If
> >> not,
> >> > > > > there's no point to waiting.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > R's,
> >> > > > > John
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > ALAC mailing list
> >> > > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
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> >> > > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date:
> >> 9/3/2007
> >> > > > > 09:31
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >> > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> >> 9/3/2007
> >> > > > > 09:31
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > ALAC mailing list
> >> > > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > >> Izumi Aizu <<
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society
> >> > > > Kumon Center, Tama University
> >> > > > * * * * *
> >> > > > << Writing the Future of the History >>
> >> > > > www.anr.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > ALAC mailing list
> >> > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> >> > > > 04/09/2007
> >> > > > 22:36
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:
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> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:
> >> 9/4/2007
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> >> 9/4/2007
> >> > > > 22:36
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >> > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> >> > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > ALAC mailing list
> >> > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> >
> >> > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > ALAC mailing list
> >> > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> >
> >> > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org
> >> > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> >> Izumi Aizu <<
> >>
> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society
> >> Kumon Center, Tama University
> >> * * * * *
> >> << Writing the Future of the History >>
> >> www.anr.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > >> Izumi Aizu <<
> >
> > Institute for HyperNetwork Society
> > Kumon Center, Tama University
> > * * * * *
> > << Writing the Future of the History >>
> > www.anr.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
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> > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
> >
>
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