Respectfully I disagree because once you have some $$ in the
kitty, so to speak [ no sexual overtones intended, BTW ] and
donations with good outreach associated, chaseing $$ will not
be a full time effort. Public radio and Television do things
this
way and do it quite well. And also BTW, I also have a full
time job and I can even part time generate a significant amount
of money for our members, and do so reguarly with some extra
of my free time.
And ICANN should be doing for you/us/users, not the other
way around. Remember, ICANN is a public SERVICE corporation,
not a private sector corporation. Doing for users is what your,
my
and everyones focus should be, not doing for ICANN. We should
be hitting up ICANN to do for us and all users!
However if you don't like my one suggested funding model, I
can advance several others which I have used or am familiar
with that have enjoyed great success. Just don't expect ICANN
to fund the Summit or the ALAC in any way or to any amount,
not going to happen.
In conclusion, does the ALAC have an account yet with any
financial institution? Wendy, do you know?
Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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"Thompson, Darlene" wrote:
Jeffrey,Your "useful funding suggestion" would mean that ALAC and ALSs would have nothing to so but chase $$. We all have day jobs. So, your suggestion would lead to us doing even less of the work that we are supposed to be doing. Not viable if I have to spend the scare resources of my time in chasing dollars rather than doing the work I am attempting to do for ICANN.DEvan and all my friends,
From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jeffrey A. Williams
Sent: Sun 2/17/2008 5:11 PM
To: At-Large Worldwide
Subject: Re: [At-Large] [Gnso-liaison] Is Staff in bed with NetSol?
Wow, a rather scathing review and demoralizing take on
Danny's mostly helpful and meaningful ideas yet bluntly
honest historical review. One learns from the past, and if
well learned, doesn't repeat it. I believe and know for a
near certainty Danny want's the ALAC or any other
AT-Large body within the ICANN structure to be
successful and endure. But he is also a realist for the
most part. Seeking funds from ICANN will not get
the ALSes anywhere of worth to users/stakeholders,
which I believe was Danny's main point and one that
given his experience as well as mine, is well founded
historically.BTW, what did you Evan think of my meager but perhaps
useful funding suggestion? It's very grass roots, which should
be appealing, but not easy.Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
My Phone: 214-244-4827Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Danny Younger wrote:
> > The organizations that manage to survive in the ICANN
> > ambit are the ones that make the defense of the
> > interests of their constituents their number one
> > priority, like the IPC. The ALAC has not done that.
> >
> Technically, the last regional ALS organization didn't officially join
> in until last week.
>
> This means that, with some validity, ALAC going forward is not the same
> as the ALAC of the past. ALACv1 was all appointed and had neither a
> mandate nor _any_ sense of grassroots priorities.
>
> Now there are well over 100 ALSs representing memberships in the
> hundreds of thousands. While this is certainly no guarantee that the
> composition of these groups -- or the views of their ICANN reps --
> completely reflects the public POV, it's much closer than when ALAC had
> nobody but its own appointees to churn policy. I would not dispute that
> much of the last six years of ALAC appear to have been wrapped up with
> process-obsessed navel gazing.
>
> Maybe ALACv2 will not turn out as well as was hoped. Events of the past
> week give me significantly more optimism than I had in the past, though
> heaven knows there are massive opportunities for improvement. I
> certainly know that many people -- present company included -- were
> generous when interviewed by the consultants engaging in the ALAC review.
>
> While you are not the only one who has had issues with ALAC's historic
> tendency to over-process things, I suspect you will find that a greater
> diversity of public voices will probably make the group's tasks more
> challenging than they have been. We've already found that out while
> canvassing constituent opinions on the JPA. It may (or may not) matter
> to you that the Registerfly issue is not considered a big deal (let
> alone disaster) outside of the US. But ALAC is a global body, and the
> fact that its prioroties are not the same as yours does not render it
> useless.
>
> > When registrants pounded at ICANN's door in the wake
> > of the RegisterFly disaster, did we see the ALAC do
> > anything? When registrants can no longer successfully
> > transfer their domains owing to the behaviors of rogue
> > registrars, does the ALAC do anything?
> Danny, as a part of this mailing list -- as part of this At-Large
> mechanism -- you share part of the blame for this inaction. Whining from
> the sidelines, without offering how to be part of the solution, isn't
> constructive.
>
> > The ALAC after six years is now nothing more than a monolithic single point of failure that plays at
> > process, does nothing more than suck travel dollars out of ICANN and helps to swell an already bloated budget.
> >
> Given your history with ICANN the sour grapes are understandable. But
> please, as we go forward, make a choice. Either help fix the problems
> you describe, or get out of the way and let the rest of us do our best
> to fix it without the utterly unhelpful sniping.
>
> We know how you feel. Repeating your complaint endlessly has no value
> other than to demoralize people and help realize the failure you bemoan.
> Indeed, one could easily surmise that you _want_ ALAC to fail, which is
> good reason to simply ignore anything you contribute.
>
> > this is a body that has become less than useless.
> >
> And yet... here you still are amongst us, part of this collective. That
> makes you either
> a) a masochist
> b) part of the reason why ALAC is in this sorry state
> c) one who derives pleasure from making others miserable
> d) all of the above
>
> - Evan
>
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