I, too, as a person who voted on NomComm appointments, am disturbed by what I'm hearing. I missed the last telephone conference so I assumed that the process for drawing up the final list of candidates had been clearly agreed upon and duly executed. It seems to me that the wiki, with its editing possibilities, is not the proper tool for carrying out a formal process such as finalizing an election list. The final authoritative list, whether it conformed to RALO wishes or not, must have been properly announced by the Chair(or the proper responsible substitute) before voting took place. SiavashHi, Following is my "personal" comments as an ALAC member who voted on this. I think that Danny's and Darlene's question about the process is valid and requires good explanation. I thought the candidates on the voting website were the valid ones - I should have examined more carefully in the end. If I may, I was on the road and just voted on the fly, but was convinved the candidates were all qualified persons. I did not have time to check the NARALO wiki, and I did not think it was necesarry for me to do so. This is not saying that I am not responsible for the result, though. I was charing the ALAC meeting on Sep 11, and handed over my responsibility to the Chair/Vice Chair after that. But I still feel responsible to implement what we agreed. Now, I urge the persons in charge who setup the voting to come up with a reasonable explanation, and if failing so, I think we should hold the final decision to NomCom. I personally have little problem having registrar or other consitiuency person to be nomiated to NomCom from ALAC, if he or she meets the criteria we set and selected through a legitimate way. But, until a good explanation is made, our accoutability is at stake and therefore we should not conclude this. izumi (still on the road in Europe with limited connection time) 2007/9/28, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca>:Hi all, I have just researched Danny's comments below and can confirm what he is saying. I have just listened to the transcript of our telephone conference of Sept. 10 and there was no mention of Ross Rader, just Evan, Eric (is it Eric or Hugh?) and Michael (as per Danny's list). There has been absolutely no on-list activity mentioning Ross whatsoever. I, personally, have no problem with having Ross in this position. On the other hand I, too, have serious reservations about the opacity of the process. We had three names put forward, two of which were confirmed. I would definitely like to know how this happened with complete disregard for input from the NARALO. If processes are put in place, they should be followed or else what is the point of us putting our time and effort into this at all? Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:24 PM To: NA Discuss; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Results of the Voting for ALAC NominatingCommittee 2008 Appointments Dear Members, The North American community is entitled to an explanation of the voting results for our region that saw a supplier-side registrar representative elected whose name was never once introduced for candidacy on the NARALO discussion list. The minutes of the last ALAC meeting state: "It was decided that the RALOs would provide their advice and recommendations by the end of this week (NLT 16st September). There would then be a vote online using instant runoff for the candidates of each region wherever there is more than one candidate proposed from a region." The North American region advanced three names: Eric Dierker (confirmed), Michael Geist (at last report was "pending confirmation", and Evan Leibovitch (confirmed). The current NARALO Wiki contains only two names: Hugh Dierker [USA] current chair of the GNSO's General Assembly Proposed by Danny Younger Confirmed Evan Leibovich [Canada] ALS Representative, CLUE (Canada) Proposed by Beau & Robert Confirmed https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?na_nominating_committee_candidates _2007 You will note that Ross Rader's name is not mentioned therein, yet suddenly he has been elected without member ALSs and North American individual participants in the RALO even being aware of his candidacy. Further, voting results show that Eric Dierker's name was never even voted upon, notwithstanding the fact that his bio/credentials were submitted for review. I find: (1) the opaqueness of this process outrageously disturbing, (2) the voting process that saw candidates having their names not included as perverse in the extreme, (3) the result (the election of registry and registrar representatives instead of user representatives) as a vile and deplorable abuse of trust I, and likely the Ombudsman as well, await an explanation. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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