I do agree with you that the question whether the President CEO gets a *voting* seat on the board of directors is a relatively small matter. (And I believe that a CEO/President does need to usually sit among the board of directors and speak on matters - his/her input is very important and ought to carry a lot of weight.)
The road to an improved ICANN is not a short road. Removing the President/CEO's ex-officio voting power on the board is but one, small step.
But it is a step. And it is an easy step. And it is a step that can be decided now but can put into practice later, perhaps at the next re-making of the employment contract.
There are harder, bigger steps. For example, elimination of the nominating committee process, which itself my require as a pre-condition establishment of ICANN as the kind of member based organization described by the California public-benefit/non-profit law that gives legal existence to ICANN and that ICANN so desperately tried to evade in the 1997-2000 time frame.
The Internet is facing some big issues, issues larger than ICANN itself but for which ICANN may indicate paths best to avoid. Just as ICANN seems excessively influenced by commercial actors the Internet as a whole is being increasingly influenced by commercial and national actors who care little whether the Internet (capital 'I') becomes a collection of "internets" (lower case 'i'), or whether we continue to use IPv4/6 or something else like 5G or Huawei's new IP protocol designs. As we push harder for more security we will increasingly need to face the question of maintenance and repair and whether we will need to establish some means, some body of people, who have special authorities and powers to penetrate security to reach in, examine, and manipulate the net. Such a "priesthood" of privileged actors might not bother large commercial or national interests, but it ought to be of great concern to individuals. And if our future bodies of i/Internet governance are structured, as is ICANN, to enervate the public voice, or to dilute it under layers of organizations and procedures, then our voice in such decisions will be muted or lost.
--karl--
Hello Karl,
I hear you but the last I checked ICANN Board membership is filled by the community in part and indirectly filled by the community(through nomcom) for the rest of the board members. It therefore seem that ICANN profile fits that of an organisation whose CEO should be a voting member.
I really don't think the CEO power is derived from that single vote; if the CEO is already acting powerful and beyond control of the Board, that single vote won't be the breaker IMO the power must have been wielded elsewhere and perhaps with support of the Board majority
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, 20:42 Karl Auerbach, <karl@cavebear.com> wrote:
I agree with you that the voice of the President of a corporation is often a voice that ought to be heard and considered by the board of directors.
However, a President that is allowed to sit at, hear, and contribute to meetings of the board is not not the same as a President who can do those things *and* vote.
Many, but not all, corporations do find it useful to allow a President/CEO to be a voting board member.
ICANN, however, has long had an imbalance with a weak board facing a powerful executive staff.
In such a situation a staff vote, i.e. the President's vote, on the board, merely increases that imbalance by weakening the chosen board and strengthening the executive staff.
Were ICANN to have a stronger board - a likely result were the board picked by the public through direct elective processes - then perhaps the President could have a vote. But given the present institutional board selection process it is unwise to increase the staff/executive dominance.
--karl--
On 7/27/22 11:19 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Roberto,
Just as you've noted instances where the CEO may be embarrassed if an issue he voted went a different direction, there are instances that I believe the CEO will be glad he contributed his voice through voting.
The CEO's vote is just 1 out of the other votes to be cast hence if his vote made a difference then you know it's a really contentious matter. In an organisation as ICANN it's not good practice to put the face of the organisation (i.e the CEO in an observer role - non voting).
That said, most reasonable CEOs don't actively use their voting right towards a direction, they largely abstain but I think the CEO should have the opportunity to exercise his opinion through voting when he considers it necessary.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, 10:42 Roberto Gaetano via At-Large, <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Karl,_______________________________________________
Following on your “off-topic” (I changed the subject line) I wold like to add a bit of history.
You wrote:A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors ….
When I was chairing the Board Review WG, I argued against having the CEO as a voting member rather than ex-officio observer. Besides any governance model, having to vote on issues that he would have been called to execute could put the CEO in an embarrassing position: what if he voted against, and the motion passed? This was, IMHO, not just a theoretical exercise, but something that could really happen on politically sensitive issues, like the .xxx delegation (in that case, Paul abstained, and the application was rejected by one or two votes).
My approach was considered, but the Chair argued that for the current CEO the provision was built in the contract, and could not be changed, but this would have been taken into account for the next CEO. Then I left the Board, and lost track of the later events, but it looks that the situation still remains unchanged.
Cheers,Roberto
On 26.07.2022, at 21:39, Karl Auerbach via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
_______________________________________________I'm going to be somewhat diverging from the main topic....
On 7/26/22 8:14 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
And so it is with ICANN. It exists -- a unique multistakeholder governance system. Lots of things wrong with it. But it exists. So, for those who want to, they can keep working at it, keep looking for improvement, keep challenging the system.
I've long been in opposition to the "stakeholder" model of governance. I was horrified when I first saw it just after Jon Postel died, and became more horrified watching Joe Sims of Jones Day ramming it down our collective throats. In the Boston Working Group proposal for "NewCo" we tried to mitigate some of the worst aspects.
See https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/ for the Boston Working Group proposals.
A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors and moving some ICANN powers into the Articles of Incorporation and requiring exercise of those powers to be approved by more than merely the board (in those days that larger body could have been "the members" but ICANN sank that ship long ago - but it can be, and ought to be, re-floated.)
My most recent piece in opposition to stakeholder based systems may be found here:
Democracy Versus Stakeholderism - https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/
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