On 7/8/07, Roberto Gaetano < roberto@icann.org> wrote:

No, what I find odd is the inqualifiable justification of a further $1.58
increase in pure profit blamed on an ICANN Board decision.

I do not find odd that commercial companies do their business, I find odd
that a self appointed champion of the user interests justifies an
unjustifiable 31% increase in end user prices based on a 7% raw material
prices.

Anyway, I find it odd, but I wonder why I am not surprised.

Regards
Roberto

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Younger [mailto: dannyyounger@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 09 July 2007 01:33
> To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Michael Maranda'; 'At-Large Worldwide';
> na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: RE: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget provisions
> relating to DomainTasting
>
> Re:  "It is again odd that a raise of full $2.00 can be
> justified in this way."
>
> Sorry, but why do you think that this is odd?
>
> Board members know the Redemption Grace Period Fee charged by
> Registries is set at $40, and that many registrars will
> charge well in excess of 4X markup -- eNom is at $160, while
> some hosting companies charge as much as $260.
>
> Registrar markup of the 42 cent fee increase is to be
> expected.  A 4X markup would raise a registrar price by
> $1.68, and higher markups could easily raise it over $2.00.
>
> Was the Board so blinded to reality that they thought that
> registrars would either eat or simply pass along the 42
> cents?  Markup is part of normal business.  You shouldn't find it odd.
>
> What you should find odd is the miserable justifications that
> were given by Board members for screwing the public with an
> unjustified price increase.
>
>
>
> --- Roberto Gaetano < roberto@icann.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > First of all, I am sure that Alan knows about the details of Domain
> > Tasting, since in the ALAC mailing lists this problem has
> been rased
> > since months, an issue report has been requested by ALAC,
> and Alan is
> > in the GNSO team who is in charge for further fact finding.
> >
> > This said, the fact that domain tasting bring an increase
> in "regular"
> > registrations is exactly the evidence brought by domainers
> and domain
> > tasters/kiters to justify the practice. It is at least odd that the
> > same phenomenon is brought up in this discussion. Being
> paranoiac by
> > nature, I tend to pay attention to coincidences.
> >
> > Last but not least, the price increase is orthogonal to
> this issue, as
> > it comes from the 7% increase that registries (not
> > ICANN!) will apply. This
> > increase accounts for a grand total of .42 USD, "autrement dit" 42
> > cents of US$. It is again odd that a raise of full $2.00 can be
> > justified in this way, and it is at least suspicious that a
> long time
> > militant omits to remark that the issues are separated and that a
> > raise of such extent is not justified.
> >
> > Incidentally, relevant ICANN staff in copy to craft
> appropriate follow
> > up to AIT Domains, thanks Danny for pointing out media clip.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > Danny Younger
> > > Sent: 08 July 2007 21:27
> > > To: Michael Maranda; At-Large Worldwide;
> > > na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget
> > provisions
> > > relating to DomainTasting
> > >
> > > Re:  The small increase may seem trivial, but the
> > principle
> > > is more important.
> > >
> > > The price increase (which won't go into effect
> > until October
> > > 15) is not trivial -- registrars are already
> > raising their
> > > prices in anticipation of the price
> > > increase:
> > >
> > > "AIT Domains says that under the promotion all
> > domain names
> > > will cost $6.49 until July 6. However, due to
> > recently
> > > announced price increases from ICANN, AIT Domains
> > says it's
> > > being forced to raise its prices.
> > > Rates are currently scheduled to go up to $8.49
> > per
> > > registration year on July 9."
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.thewhir.com/marketwatch/070307_AIT_Holds_Fourth_of_
> > July_Special.cfm
> > >
> > > What's more important than all of this is the
> > issue of bad
> > > decision-making on the part of the unaccountable
> > ICANN Board.
> > >  The Internet community has no way of "throwing
> > the bums out"
> > > because ICANN remains accountable to no one.
> > >
> > > Until this problem is solved it really doesn't
> > much matter
> > > what the community consensus is on the AGP or
> > anything
> > > else... ICANN remains free to ignore the voice of
> > the people.
> > >
> > > Presently, ICANN profits from the consequences of
> > domain
> > > tasting... the more names that are tasted, the
> > more names
> > > that will eventually be registered as some of
> > these names can
> > > successfully be monetized.  Profits for the
> > registries,
> > > profits for the registrars, profits for ICANN...
> > there were
> > > about 16 million new registrations last year (a
> > good chunk of
> > > them the direct result of tasting activities).
> > >
> > > Don't expect to prevail on this issue without
> > putting up a
> > > spectacular fight and screaming for action at
> > every
> > > opportunity -- convincing a corporation to kill a
> > lucrative
> > > cash cow can only be an uphill battle.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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