Re: [At-Large] Auction Proceeds - where we are and what you can help
I doubt that the CCWG will create a specific carve-out for IGF funding at this stage, And I would hope it will not prohibit such applications. To what extent funding either the global or regional IGFs is within ICANN's mission and scope is something that has already and I presume will continue to be debated. For those who have an interest in the subject and have not already done so, I found that listening to the Board session on the ICANN support and funding of IGFs at the recent Board Workshop was really good use of an hour - <https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=5bc0ea4e3ccd35164744c09ed4e716ecfaad25394a3bd46078d72451931fe3cf>https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/. Alan At 12/05/2017 06:59 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
âOh and before anyone replies on procedure:
I am fully aware that this stage of the WG is dealing with broad criteria and not specific recipients.â
But in the world of Internet Governance, the IGF is in a category of its own and IMO it is reasonable to discuss its inclusion at a structural level at this point.
On 12 May 2017 at 18:55, Evan Leibovitch <<mailto:evan@telly.org>evan@telly.org> wrote: I'm not sure that there's really a disagreement between Ken and John.
Informing the world of the function of the DNS -- and of ICANN's crucial role in that piece of infrastructure -- is both within scope and of high value. There are ways that this can be deployed in ways that don't constitute vanity and self-aggrandizing.
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Personally I'm a little surprised and disappointed by the fact nobody in this list, especially my civil society colleagues, are advocating use of auction proceeds to seed an ongoing endowment for the IGF. There are many important parts of Internet governance, but ICANN is the only one of them that attracts so much money and speculative/entrepreneurial behavior. ICANN could almost overnight render itself one of the global heroes of the Internet ecosystem if it provided ongoing support of other related bits such that the IGF could maintain vitality and independence.
Furthermore, it is in ICANN's selfish best interest to promote multi-stakeholderism throughout the universe of IG. If government multilateral activity can successfully encroach on the ecosystem due to weakness/failure of the IGF, then ICANN will surely be a target next.
Just a thought. If ALAC got behind this and the idea gained broad support, ICANN will find a way to define such action to be within scope.
(Disclosure: I have never even attended an IGF, so I am hardly acting in a self-serving manner in proposing this endowment. One doesn't have to be in the IGF to see its value.)
- Evan
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A really good use of an hour indeed! Alan, thanks for yet again exhibiting your superior skill; researching! You and Dev....always on my team. Carlton On May 13, 2017 2:29 PM, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I doubt that the CCWG will create a specific carve-out for IGF funding at this stage, And I would hope it will not prohibit such applications.
To what extent funding either the global or regional IGFs is within ICANN's mission and scope is something that has already and I presume will continue to be debated.
For those who have an interest in the subject and have not already done so, I found that listening to the Board session on the ICANN support and funding of IGFs at the recent Board Workshop was really good use of an hour - *https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/* <https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=5bc0ea4e3ccd35164...> .
Alan
At 12/05/2017 06:59 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
​Oh and before anyone replies on procedure:
I am fully aware that this stage of the WG is dealing with broad criteria and not specific recipients.​
But in the world of Internet Governance, the IGF is in a category of its own and IMO it is reasonable to discuss its inclusion at a structural level at this point.
On 12 May 2017 at 18:55, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote: I'm not sure that there's really a disagreement between Ken and John.
Informing the world of the function of the DNS -- and of ICANN's crucial role in that piece of infrastructure -- is both within scope and of high value. There are ways that this can be deployed in ways that don't constitute vanity and self-aggrandizing.
---
Personally I'm a little surprised and disappointed by the fact nobody in this list, especially my civil society colleagues, are advocating use of auction proceeds to seed an ongoing endowment for the IGF. There are many important parts of Internet governance, but ICANN is the only one of them that attracts so much money and speculative/entrepreneurial behavior. ICANN could almost overnight render itself one of the global heroes of the Internet ecosystem if it provided ongoing support of other related bits such that the IGF could maintain vitality and independence.
Furthermore, it is in ICANN's selfish best interest to promote multi-stakeholderism throughout the universe of IG. If government multilateral activity can successfully encroach on the ecosystem due to weakness/failure of the IGF, then ICANN will surely be a target next.
Just a thought. If ALAC got behind this and the idea gained broad support, ICANN will find a way to define such action to be within scope.
(Disclosure: I have never even attended an IGF, so I am hardly acting in a self-serving manner in proposing this endowment. One doesn't have to be in the IGF to see its value.)
- Evan
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As a branch of global governance, (1) ICANN should minimize its expenditure in carrying out its necessary global governance functions (managing DNS etc), (2) stick strictly to the mandated function and nothing more, and (3) deposit all the additional revenues that it raises to general global governance funds, which would be the UN general fund, as any branch of a gov will do. Sometimes the logical, rightful and just solution is simpler and ore straightforward than one thinks... parminder On Sunday 14 May 2017 12:58 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
I doubt that the CCWG will create a specific carve-out for IGF funding at this stage, And I would hope it will not prohibit such applications.
To what extent funding either the global or regional IGFs is within ICANN's mission and scope is something that has already and I presume will continue to be debated.
For those who have an interest in the subject and have not already done so, I found that listening to the Board session on the ICANN support and funding of IGFs at the recent Board Workshop was really good use of an hour - *https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/* <https://participate.icann.org/p8yx7xiby7i/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=5bc0ea4e3ccd35164...>.
Alan
At 12/05/2017 06:59 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
​Oh and before anyone replies on procedure:
I am fully aware that this stage of the WG is dealing with broad criteria and not specific recipients.​
But in the world of Internet Governance, the IGF is in a category of its own and IMO it is reasonable to discuss its inclusion at a structural level at this point.
On 12 May 2017 at 18:55, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org <mailto:evan@telly.org>> wrote:
I'm not sure that there's really a disagreement between Ken and John.
Informing the world of the function of the DNS -- and of ICANN's crucial role in that piece of infrastructure -- is both within scope and of high value. There are ways that this can be deployed in ways that don't constitute vanity and self-aggrandizing.
---
Personally I'm a little surprised and disappointed by the fact nobody in this list, especially my civil society colleagues, are advocating use of auction proceeds to seed an ongoing endowment for the IGF. There are many important parts of Internet governance, but ICANN is the only one of them that attracts so much money and speculative/entrepreneurial behavior. ICANN could almost overnight render itself one of the global heroes of the Internet ecosystem if it provided ongoing support of other related bits such that the IGF could maintain vitality and independence.
Furthermore, it is in ICANN's selfish best interest to promote multi-stakeholderism throughout the universe of IG. If government multilateral activity can successfully encroach on the ecosystem due to weakness/failure of the IGF, then ICANN will surely be a target next.
Just a thought. If ALAC got behind this and the idea gained broad support, ICANN will find a way to define such action to be within scope.
(Disclosure: I have never even attended an IGF, so I am hardly acting in a self-serving manner in proposing this endowment. One doesn't have to be in the IGF to see its value.)
- Evan
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