APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names ( http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat...). This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being discussed at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now. Hong
Hong, You could add that CENTR also supported this resolution verbatim. Siavash
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names ( http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat...).
This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being discussed at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now.
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Many thanks for Siavash's addition. If both APTLD and CENTR endorse this, this proposal would be influential. Hong On 6/26/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir> wrote:
Hong, You could add that CENTR also supported this resolution verbatim. Siavash
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names (
http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat... ).
This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being
discussed
at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now.
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I would like to make sure that "each existing ccTLD" does not get confused with "each existing ccTLD operator". As I also discussed this morning with the ccNSO council, y worry is that if we establish an automatic mechanism by which an operator gets a sort of IDN version of its ASCII ccTLD, we establish a precedent for a claim by the gTLD operators to run the IDN versions of the gTLDs. Cheers, Roberto _____ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: 27 June 2007 09:56 To: shahshah@irnic.ir Cc: At-large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised DomainNames Many thanks for Siavash's addition. If both APTLD and CENTR endorse this, this proposal would be influential. Hong On 6/26/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir> wrote: Hong, You could add that CENTR also supported this resolution verbatim. Siavash
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names (
http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat ionalised%20Domain%20Names%20-%20June%2021%202007%20v6.pdf <http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Interna tionalised%20Domain%20Names%20-%20June%2021%202007%20v6.pdf> ).
This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being discussed at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now.
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Thanks, Roberto. Surely we are still absorbing the information and are by no means to defend it. In my understanding, the proposal is an approach of "crossing the river by groping the stone under foot". CCTLD managers want to develop the IDN policy while experimentally implementing IDNs. It has a lot of advantage as well as defects. But I don't believe the proposal may simply be read as a grab. "Existing ccTLD operators" should not, of course, automatically grab an IDN TLDs. Neither are the existing gTLD operators. Hong don't believe the paper is read "each existing ccTLD operator" On 6/27/07, Roberto Gaetano <roberto@icann.org> wrote:
I would like to make sure that "each existing ccTLD" does not get confused with "each existing ccTLD operator".
As I also discussed this morning with the ccNSO council, y worry is that if we establish an automatic mechanism by which an operator gets a sort of IDN version of its ASCII ccTLD, we establish a precedent for a claim by the gTLD operators to run the IDN versions of the gTLDs.
Cheers, Roberto
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Many thanks for Siavash's addition. If both APTLD and CENTR endorse this, this proposal would be influential.
Hong
On 6/26/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir> wrote:
Hong, You could add that CENTR also supported this resolution verbatim. Siavash
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names ( http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat... ).
This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being discussed at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now.
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Dear All, I'm sitting in ccNSO meeting. Chris just announced the joint meeting with ALAC this afternoon at 3:30. I had forgotten about this because it somehow disappeared from recent announcements. So PLEASE come to the ccNSO room at 3:30 sharp because their schedule is quite tight. Best, Siavash -------------------------------
Siavash, what is the subject and how long is the meeting? Alan At 27/06/2007 12:27 PM, Siavash Shahshahani wrote:
Dear All, I'm sitting in ccNSO meeting. Chris just announced the joint meeting with ALAC this afternoon at 3:30. I had forgotten about this because it somehow disappeared from recent announcements. So PLEASE come to the ccNSO room at 3:30 sharp because their schedule is quite tight. Best, Siavash -------------------------------
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My supposition from earlier meeting and talks is that we'll discuss setting up a group with them representing the five RALOs and the corresponding regions in ccNSO. I suppose they could also tell us about some propsals they're taking to the Board: one on Geographic Regions and one on IDNs. Siavash
Siavash, what is the subject and how long is the meeting?
Alan
At 27/06/2007 12:27 PM, Siavash Shahshahani wrote:
Dear All, I'm sitting in ccNSO meeting. Chris just announced the joint meeting with ALAC this afternoon at 3:30. I had forgotten about this because it somehow disappeared from recent announcements. So PLEASE come to the ccNSO room at 3:30 sharp because their schedule is quite tight. Best, Siavash -------------------------------
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Originally, this joint meeting was at 17:30-19:00pm today. Since ccNSO reschedules it, how long would it last now? Hong On 6/27/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir> wrote:
Dear All, I'm sitting in ccNSO meeting. Chris just announced the joint meeting with ALAC this afternoon at 3:30. I had forgotten about this because it somehow disappeared from recent announcements. So PLEASE come to the ccNSO room at 3:30 sharp because their schedule is quite tight. Best, Siavash -------------------------------
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Hong Xue ha scritto:
Originally, this joint meeting was at 17:30-19:00pm today. Since ccNSO reschedules it, how long would it last now?
Also, which is the ccNSO room? The one in front of the big main room? Anyway, most of us will be at the "freedom of expression" workshop which ends at 15:30, so we can move to the ccNSO right after it ends. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Wiki has not been updated-- https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?san_juan_ccnso_coordination_discussions Hong On 6/27/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
Hong Xue ha scritto:
Originally, this joint meeting was at 17:30-19:00pm today. Since ccNSO reschedules it, how long would it last now?
Also, which is the ccNSO room? The one in front of the big main room? Anyway, most of us will be at the "freedom of expression" workshop which ends at 15:30, so we can move to the ccNSO right after it ends. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
I updated the wiki (anyone who has access can do so that's the beauty of wiki) - the room - San Christobal B: izumi Wednesday, 27th June Time: 1530 - 1600 Place: San Christobal B Agenda: ALAC (and other interested community members) to attend the ccNSO members open meeting to provide any further information or thoughts subsequent to the Monday meeting. 2007/6/28, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com>:
Wiki has not been updated--https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?san_juan_ccnso_coordination_discussions
Hong
On 6/27/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
Hong Xue ha scritto:
Originally, this joint meeting was at 17:30-19:00pm today. Since ccNSO reschedules it, how long would it last now?
Also, which is the ccNSO room? The one in front of the big main room? Anyway, most of us will be at the "freedom of expression" workshop which ends at 15:30, so we can move to the ccNSO right after it ends. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Roberto, No automatic mechanism was postulated; in fact the second article of APTLD paper proposes a six-month comment period during which counter-claims, reservations, caveats, etc., can be thrown in. If the proposed string 'passes' this test, it will then go into the root. Both your worries are thus taken care of: 1. If the 'operator' is not truly authorized by the ccTLD, the ccTLD can say so in the 6-month period. 2. If gTLDs are willing to go through the same kind of comment period where competing claims may be aired, then why not? Further, let us not lose perspective of the real intent of the proposal. For a certain number of countries or regions(in my opinion no more than 30-40), there is a perception (justified or not) that the slow pace of .IDN implementation is affecting the growth of Internet in their geographic domain. If there is no fast-track response to this perceived need by ICANN, we may be facing unpleasant consequences of which you are certainly aware. Siavash
I would like to make sure that "each existing ccTLD" does not get confused with "each existing ccTLD operator".
As I also discussed this morning with the ccNSO council, y worry is that if we establish an automatic mechanism by which an operator gets a sort of IDN version of its ASCII ccTLD, we establish a precedent for a claim by the gTLD operators to run the IDN versions of the gTLDs.
Cheers, Roberto
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From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Hong Xue Sent: 27 June 2007 09:56 To: shahshah@irnic.ir Cc: At-large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised DomainNames
Many thanks for Siavash's addition. If both APTLD and CENTR endorse this, this proposal would be influential.
Hong
On 6/26/07, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir> wrote:
Hong, You could add that CENTR also supported this resolution verbatim. Siavash
Please see APTLD Position on Top Level Internationalised Domain Names (
http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Internat ionalised%20Domain%20Names%20-%20June%2021%202007%20v6.pdf <http://www.aptld.org/position/APTLD%20Position%20on%20Top%20Level%20Interna tionalised%20Domain%20Names%20-%20June%2021%202007%20v6.pdf> ).
This document is formed at APTLD Dubai meeting. It's now being discussed at ccNSO. I don't believe ccNSO has opened the public consultation but nothing prevents us from doing some research right now.
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participants (6)
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Alan Greenberg -
Hong Xue -
Izumi AIZU -
Roberto Gaetano -
Siavash Shahshahani -
Vittorio Bertola