Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Actually, we are both right. Before the first call, there was a willingness to work with a small group with a good balance between all parties, in the hope that it would be easier to find consensus. This is what I reported. However, during and after the call, some people asked for colleagues to be included. There are now 21 people in the WG, up from 15 originally. I still have other subscription requests pending for the mailing list. My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite. Patrick On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0100, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> wrote:
Thanks Bret, I will be happy to be part of that discussion but your impression is contradictory to the mail send by Patrick on Monday:
"-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Patrick Vande Walle Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2009 13:35 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Thanks James and Siva for volunteering.
My understanding is that the group participants were selected as to have both an adequate coverage of all AC/SOs and regions, without favouring one or another. It was also meant to be rather limited so as to move forward fast. Hence, I am afraid there is no possibility to add participants. I note however, that the WG still misses a member from Africa.
However, as I said, I would be happy to relay your concerns.
Patrick"
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Bret Fausett Envoyé : mardi 10 novembre 2009 19:11 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
I was on the call yesterday, and I had the distinct impression that the group wanted to be open. Who wants to be on the mailing list and phone calls? I will forward your names to the group.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
OK it is an UNOFFICIAL CLOSED group of a bunch of interested people. Yes they are interested! But to what? If it is period then it is not time for "official" At-Large participation.
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My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite.
Personally, I think it's better to have all of the views out on the table as fast as possible, rather than have one view presented and alternative views posted in the comment period. Bigger out to move us along faster. Let's hear all the views now, account for them, assimilate them where possible and publish a forked report when we don't agree Bret
Once the suggestion area ready I understand goes to staff which will prepare a text to sugestion action from the board which may be : post for public comment. After that goes back to staff to prapare board vote. The quick the text goes to public the best. -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Vande Walle Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:27 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group Actually, we are both right. Before the first call, there was a willingness to work with a small group with a good balance between all parties, in the hope that it would be easier to find consensus. This is what I reported. However, during and after the call, some people asked for colleagues to be included. There are now 21 people in the WG, up from 15 originally. I still have other subscription requests pending for the mailing list. My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite. Patrick On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0100, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> wrote:
Thanks Bret, I will be happy to be part of that discussion but your impression is contradictory to the mail send by Patrick on Monday:
"-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Patrick Vande Walle Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2009 13:35 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Thanks James and Siva for volunteering.
My understanding is that the group participants were selected as to have both an adequate coverage of all AC/SOs and regions, without favouring one or another. It was also meant to be rather limited so as to move forward fast. Hence, I am afraid there is no possibility to add participants. I note however, that the WG still misses a member from Africa.
However, as I said, I would be happy to relay your concerns.
Patrick"
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Bret Fausett Envoyé : mardi 10 novembre 2009 19:11 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
I was on the call yesterday, and I had the distinct impression that the group wanted to be open. Who wants to be on the mailing list and phone calls? I will forward your names to the group.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
OK it is an UNOFFICIAL CLOSED group of a bunch of interested people. Yes they are interested! But to what? If it is period then it is not time for "official" At-Large participation.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
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Dear All: It may be useful to note that the Board's request for Staff to study the potential impact of an "Expressions of Interest Process" (http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-30oct09-en.htm#5) is being handled by ICANN's Services Staff. More information will be publicly posted in the near future. Those interested in the subject may wish to participate in this effort. We shall of course post further information as it becomes available. Vanda UOL wrote:
Once the suggestion area ready I understand goes to staff which will prepare a text to sugestion action from the board which may be : post for public comment. After that goes back to staff to prapare board vote. The quick the text goes to public the best.
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Vande Walle Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:27 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Actually, we are both right.
Before the first call, there was a willingness to work with a small group with a good balance between all parties, in the hope that it would be easier to find consensus. This is what I reported.
However, during and after the call, some people asked for colleagues to be included. There are now 21 people in the WG, up from 15 originally. I still have other subscription requests pending for the mailing list. My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite.
Patrick
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0100, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> wrote:
Thanks Bret, I will be happy to be part of that discussion but your impression is contradictory to the mail send by Patrick on Monday:
"-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Patrick Vande Walle Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2009 13:35 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Thanks James and Siva for volunteering.
My understanding is that the group participants were selected as to have both an adequate coverage of all AC/SOs and regions, without favouring
one
or another. It was also meant to be rather limited so as to move forward fast. Hence, I am afraid there is no possibility to add participants. I note however, that the WG still misses a member from Africa.
However, as I said, I would be happy to relay your concerns.
Patrick"
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Bret Fausett Envoyé : mardi 10 novembre 2009 19:11 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
I was on the call yesterday, and I had the distinct impression that the group wanted to be open. Who wants to be on the mailing list and phone calls? I will forward your names to the group.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
OK it is an UNOFFICIAL CLOSED group of a bunch of interested people. Yes they are interested! But to what? If it is period then it is not time for "official" At-Large participation.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
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Further to the below, we've been asked to clarify that rather than Services staff, the new gTLD staff are actually the group within staff managing the process. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear All:
It may be useful to note that the Board's request for Staff to study the potential impact of an "Expressions of Interest Process" (http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-30oct09-en.htm#5) is being handled by ICANN's Services Staff. More information will be publicly posted in the near future. Those interested in the subject may wish to participate in this effort. We shall of course post further information as it becomes available.
Vanda UOL wrote:
Once the suggestion area ready I understand goes to staff which will prepare a text to sugestion action from the board which may be : post for public comment. After that goes back to staff to prapare board vote. The quick the text goes to public the best.
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Vande Walle Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:27 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Actually, we are both right. Before the first call, there was a willingness to work with a small group with a good balance between all parties, in the hope that it would be easier to find consensus. This is what I reported. However, during and after the call, some people asked for colleagues to be included. There are now 21 people in the WG, up from 15 originally. I still have other subscription requests pending for the mailing list. My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite. Patrick
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0100, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> wrote:
Thanks Bret, I will be happy to be part of that discussion but your impression is contradictory to the mail send by Patrick on Monday:
"-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Patrick Vande Walle Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2009 13:35 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Thanks James and Siva for volunteering. My understanding is that the group participants were selected as to have both an adequate coverage of all AC/SOs and regions, without favouring
one
or another. It was also meant to be rather limited so as to move forward fast. Hence, I am afraid there is no possibility to add participants. I note however, that the WG still misses a member from Africa. However, as I said, I would be happy to relay your concerns. Patrick"
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Bret Fausett Envoyé : mardi 10 novembre 2009 19:11 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
I was on the call yesterday, and I had the distinct impression that the group wanted to be open. Who wants to be on the mailing list and phone calls? I will forward your names to the group.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
OK it is an UNOFFICIAL CLOSED group of a bunch of interested people. Yes they are interested! But to what? If it is period then it is not time for "official" At-Large participation.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
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My personal view: we can not go against any initiative that goes bottom up. Even lacking diversity, because is an informal movement people is free to make any WG they like. But the idea to congregate people from different SOs/ACs and try to think out of the box in any solution, shall be respected and incentivized. The formal process must come from ICANN bylaws but the movement itself deserves, from my point of view, congratulations. Let's also acknowledge the effort of Patrick to invite other member to participate, as I got several mails about this issue, even keeping the group small to be workable, several persons are actually participating send contributions to the focus point, as Patrick here. Best Vanda -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Vande Walle Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:27 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group Actually, we are both right. Before the first call, there was a willingness to work with a small group with a good balance between all parties, in the hope that it would be easier to find consensus. This is what I reported. However, during and after the call, some people asked for colleagues to be included. There are now 21 people in the WG, up from 15 originally. I still have other subscription requests pending for the mailing list. My concern is that I am not sure this will help getting the job done faster, better or if it will be the opposite. Patrick On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:22:46 +0100, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> wrote:
Thanks Bret, I will be happy to be part of that discussion but your impression is contradictory to the mail send by Patrick on Monday:
"-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Patrick Vande Walle Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2009 13:35 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
Thanks James and Siva for volunteering.
My understanding is that the group participants were selected as to have both an adequate coverage of all AC/SOs and regions, without favouring one or another. It was also meant to be rather limited so as to move forward fast. Hence, I am afraid there is no possibility to add participants. I note however, that the WG still misses a member from Africa.
However, as I said, I would be happy to relay your concerns.
Patrick"
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Bret Fausett Envoyé : mardi 10 novembre 2009 19:11 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Fwd: Expressions of Interest Working Group
I was on the call yesterday, and I had the distinct impression that the group wanted to be open. Who wants to be on the mailing list and phone calls? I will forward your names to the group.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Sébastien Bachollet wrote:
OK it is an UNOFFICIAL CLOSED group of a bunch of interested people. Yes they are interested! But to what? If it is period then it is not time for "official" At-Large participation.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
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Vanda UOL