ICANN regional meetings -- good or bad?
In recent minutes, the Board approved a "regional meeting" in Taipei, announced at <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-20sep07.htm> Some ALAC participants from the Asia-Pacific have raised concerns that none of the ALAC, AP RALO, or At-Large Structures were consulted, even though the ALAC and its structures are tasked with representing user interests in ICANN. I'm also concerned that ICANN not follow the strategy of other organizations, such as WIPO, in using regional meetings to divide and conquer, pitting regions against one another rather than helping them to realize and coordinate their common interests. I hope we can push ICANN away from that mode. Thoughts? --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ http://www.torproject.org/
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups. That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process. Bret
Although I see some benefit coming from regional meetings, I'd like to echo Wendy's concerns(not going so far as 'divide and conquer' conspiracy theory). Specific local concerns of some regions may overshadow controversial global issues which may then be swept under the rug. I'm for regional meetings organized by RALOs with focus on regional issues that should be brought to the attention of ICANN, but such meetings should not replace regular global meetings. Siavash
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups.
That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process.
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The situation about this Taiwan Regional meeting is quite complex. This is not the first time APRALO is put in a difficult situation: There was actually one Hong Kong regional meeting at the end of July - there, APRALO was somehow consulted, or "invited" to organize a business meeting of APRALO and ICANN paid cost of travel for some ALS reps who could afford to travel, but the regional meeting itself was for registry and registrars. One rationale for ICANN to support this HK RALO meeting was that since ICANN changed the ICANN meeting in Asia Pacific region originally announced to be held in 2007 fall, into February 2008 without any explicit explanation, so we will have LA meeting in October 2007. You know, APRALO was established in March this year, at Bali meeting, and then we postponed our celerbration at ICANN meeting for the coming ICANN meeting in AP region which was, unfortunately postponed into next February. At the APRALO conference call just two days ago, we discussed to have next APRALO meeting at APRICOT, annual large AsiaPacific meeting of Internet community, a week before ICANN meeting which will be located in New Dehli. AND at the same conf call, we agreed to have another APRALO meeting at the IGF meeting in New Dehli in November - a real twist now... This is a good demonstration how the lack of necesarry consultation, coordination and involvement with regional stakeholders will result rather averse directoin, discouraging and leading to less trust. izumi 2007/9/27, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir>:
Although I see some benefit coming from regional meetings, I'd like to echo Wendy's concerns(not going so far as 'divide and conquer' conspiracy theory). Specific local concerns of some regions may overshadow controversial global issues which may then be swept under the rug. I'm for regional meetings organized by RALOs with focus on regional issues that should be brought to the attention of ICANN, but such meetings should not replace regular global meetings. Siavash
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups.
That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process.
Bret_______________________________________________
Hi, I suppose the answer is to try and make sure that if regional meetings are held then all interested parties are involved. My guess is the Global Partnerships group is organizing the Taipei meeting. I've no idea who tells who about what meetings, but perhaps this would be a good time to schedule 30 minutes of Theresa and the Regional Relations folks time in LA? You tell them what you're planning and they tell you what's on their calender? It seems obvious and you probably already have good communication with the regional relations staff, but just a suggestion! Adam At 1:03 AM +0900 9/27/07, Izumi AIZU wrote:
The situation about this Taiwan Regional meeting is quite complex. This is not the first time APRALO is put in a difficult situation:
There was actually one Hong Kong regional meeting at the end of July - there, APRALO was somehow consulted, or "invited" to organize a business meeting of APRALO and ICANN paid cost of travel for some ALS reps who could afford to travel, but the regional meeting itself was for registry and registrars.
One rationale for ICANN to support this HK RALO meeting was that since ICANN changed the ICANN meeting in Asia Pacific region originally announced to be held in 2007 fall, into February 2008 without any explicit explanation, so we will have LA meeting in October 2007. You know, APRALO was established in March this year, at Bali meeting, and then we postponed our celerbration at ICANN meeting for the coming ICANN meeting in AP region which was, unfortunately postponed into next February.
At the APRALO conference call just two days ago, we discussed to have next APRALO meeting at APRICOT, annual large AsiaPacific meeting of Internet community, a week before ICANN meeting which will be located in New Dehli. AND at the same conf call, we agreed to have another APRALO meeting at the IGF meeting in New Dehli in November - a real twist now...
This is a good demonstration how the lack of necesarry consultation, coordination and involvement with regional stakeholders will result rather averse directoin, discouraging and leading to less trust.
izumi
2007/9/27, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir>:
Although I see some benefit coming from regional meetings, I'd like to echo Wendy's concerns(not going so far as 'divide and conquer' conspiracy theory). Specific local concerns of some regions may overshadow controversial global issues which may then be swept under the rug. I'm for regional meetings organized by RALOs with focus on regional issues that should be brought to the attention of ICANN, but such meetings should not replace regular global meetings. Siavash
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups.
That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process.
Bret_______________________________________________
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Adam that is an interesting idea, but I think the real issue is your lead sentence. If regional involvement (including the overall At-Large community) is a desired long-term outcome, we need to be "in the loop" about activities like this, and not just discuss them at a one-time event in LA. Alan At 26/09/2007 12:26 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
Hi,
I suppose the answer is to try and make sure that if regional meetings are held then all interested parties are involved.
My guess is the Global Partnerships group is organizing the Taipei meeting. I've no idea who tells who about what meetings, but perhaps this would be a good time to schedule 30 minutes of Theresa and the Regional Relations folks time in LA? You tell them what you're planning and they tell you what's on their calender?
It seems obvious and you probably already have good communication with the regional relations staff, but just a suggestion!
Adam
At 1:03 AM +0900 9/27/07, Izumi AIZU wrote:
The situation about this Taiwan Regional meeting is quite complex. This is not the first time APRALO is put in a difficult situation:
There was actually one Hong Kong regional meeting at the end of July - there, APRALO was somehow consulted, or "invited" to organize a business meeting of APRALO and ICANN paid cost of travel for some ALS reps who could afford to travel, but the regional meeting itself was for registry and registrars.
One rationale for ICANN to support this HK RALO meeting was that since ICANN changed the ICANN meeting in Asia Pacific region originally announced to be held in 2007 fall, into February 2008 without any explicit explanation, so we will have LA meeting in October 2007. You know, APRALO was established in March this year, at Bali meeting, and then we postponed our celerbration at ICANN meeting for the coming ICANN meeting in AP region which was, unfortunately postponed into next February.
At the APRALO conference call just two days ago, we discussed to have next APRALO meeting at APRICOT, annual large AsiaPacific meeting of Internet community, a week before ICANN meeting which will be located in New Dehli. AND at the same conf call, we agreed to have another APRALO meeting at the IGF meeting in New Dehli in November - a real twist now...
This is a good demonstration how the lack of necesarry consultation, coordination and involvement with regional stakeholders will result rather averse directoin, discouraging and leading to less trust.
izumi
2007/9/27, Siavash Shahshahani <shahshah@irnic.ir>:
Although I see some benefit coming from regional meetings, I'd like to echo Wendy's concerns(not going so far as 'divide and conquer' conspiracy theory). Specific local concerns of some regions may overshadow controversial global issues which may then be swept under the rug. I'm for regional meetings organized by RALOs with focus on regional issues that should be brought to the attention of ICANN, but such meetings should not replace regular global meetings. Siavash
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups.
That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process.
Bret_______________________________________________
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Further to this and the earlier comments by Wendt APRALO on its list is also discussing this 'issue' as it has affected us and our regional planning for the next year EXTENSIVLY ... and we will be following up directly regarding the specifics regarding our region with recent meeting planning activities... However we will also no doubt wish that our response and suggestions / point raised are also included in any ALAC follow up on the matter... Wendy one of the reasons we are wanting (as a RALO) to have a F2F meeting with ALAC liaisons and particularly yourself is to discuss and forward a better plan of approach in open and effective communications and understanding of our Regional needs and plans... And this very issue was the main instigation of our request for you to join our next monthly meeting (refer to an earlier email Re planning for LA... being held on 30 Oct 0600 UTC) So we will expect some more specific outcomes after this important internal dialogue as well... This is not the only matter we need to pursue but it certainly is one of the major topics we want to cover and we will attempt to prepare an Agenda in advance however a reading of the last 2 APRALO reports to ALAC and I will post the one from this meeting to the Wiki sometime today or tomorrow will go a long way to briefing any liaison planning to attend... So far Wendy has made herself available (after her teaching commitments for our rather unfriendly time zone call/meeting starting at 2300hr LA time on 29th October... Any other Liaison or Officer of the ALAC who also wishes to attend should just let us know you are of course most welcome... CLO -----Original Message----- From: Siavash Shahshahani [mailto:shahshah@irnic.ir] Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2007 1:53 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings -- good or bad? Although I see some benefit coming from regional meetings, I'd like to echo Wendy's concerns(not going so far as 'divide and conquer' conspiracy theory). Specific local concerns of some regions may overshadow controversial global issues which may then be swept under the rug. I'm for regional meetings organized by RALOs with focus on regional issues that should be brought to the attention of ICANN, but such meetings should not replace regular global meetings. Siavash
I very much like the idea of regional meetings, and I hope that the Taipei experiment can show that these can be a substitute for one of the three meetings a year: i.e. for one week a year, everyone meets regionally, rather than at a central location, and regional rappateurs report back to the other groups.
That said, at least as much advance planning should go into regional meetings as goes into central ones, and I would hope that, in the future, participants would have significantly more advance notice and input into the process.
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My feelings are very similar than yours, sincerelly. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:33:31 -0400> From: wendy@seltzer.com> To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings -- good or bad?> > In recent minutes, the Board approved a "regional meeting" in Taipei,> announced at <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-20sep07.htm>> > Some ALAC participants from the Asia-Pacific have raised concerns that> none of the ALAC, AP RALO, or At-Large Structures were consulted, even> though the ALAC and its structures are tasked with representing user> interests in ICANN.> > I'm also concerned that ICANN not follow the strategy of other> organizations, such as WIPO, in using regional meetings to divide and> conquer, pitting regions against one another rather than helping them to> realize and coordinate their common interests. I hope we can push ICANN> away from that mode.> > Thoughts?> --Wendy> > -- > Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org> Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html> http://www.chillingeffects.org/> http://www.torproject.org/> > _______________________________________________> ALAC mailing list> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org _________________________________________________________________ Descubre Live.com - tu propia página de inicio, personalizada para ver rápidamente todo lo que te interesa en un mismo sitio. http://www.live.com/getstarted
participants (8)
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Adam Peake -
Alan Greenberg -
Bret Fausett -
carlos aguirre -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Izumi AIZU -
Siavash Shahshahani -
Wendy Seltzer