Danny, Beau, and all, Beau, frankly Danny makes a very strong argument below, and as additionally the ALAC's and ALS'es are unwilling to self fund, unwilling to be fully transparent and open, enguaging in selective censensorship, grossly unaware of the history of many of the impending issues, and significantly willing to conduct much of issue related discussions and decisions on "Internatl Lists", these ALAC's, and ALS'es cannot in their current structure be a representation of or representatives for users. This said, it is also not too late to change the error in these ALAC's and ALS'es ways... But given the recent banter, I am not, nor are any of our members holding our breaths that a significant enough change in these ALAC's and ALS'es ways is forthcoming. -----Original Message-----

From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Sent: Apr 28, 2008 9:54 AM To: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart@icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits

Sorry to have to disagree, but if I were sitting on the Board Governance Committee I'd be scoffing at the ridiculous demands being made in this document as no case has properly been made for ALS (user) constituency status within the GNSO.

A few questions:

1. The GNSO has made it possible for participation within their committees, task forces, ad-hoc groups, and volunteer drafting teams -- how many ALSs have availed themselves of the opportunity?

2. The GNSO is a policy formulating body that discusses policy matters on-line -- how many ALSs have participated in any online DNS-related policy discussion?

3. GNSO Constituencies are self-supporting and each charges a fee for membership -- how many ALSs are willing to pay a constituency membership fee?

4. GNSO Councillors travel to ICANN sessions without the benefit of ICANN travel support -- how many ALSs will be willing to regularly send their members at their own expense to GNSO functions?

5. Can you name even one ALS that knows the status of the ALAC letter sent to the Board regarding front-running?

6. Can you name even one ALS that knows the status of GNSO discussions on fast-flux or inter-registrar domain transfers or the GNSO's current position on IDNC?

7. Although the ALAC always has some sort of comment to make on the topic of WHOIS (that lends itself to armchair philosophers), how many ALSs actually volunteered to participate in an effort to define the next range of WHOIS studies?

You know, when we consider topics like fast-track for IDNs, we factor in considerations such as demand and capability -- when I look at the GNSO restructuring I see no widespread demand for ALS involvement, nor do I see a capability to engage in serious policy formulation discussions.

Just look at the regional lists -- has any ALS from anywhere in the world other than North America expressed an interest in an ALS constituency? New constituencies are supposed to be able to demonstrate that they are:

1) broadly representative; and 2) that the addition of such a Constituency will improve the ability of the GNSO to carry out its policy-development responsibilities.

Based on the track record of ALAC's ALSs, you couldn't convince me that they will act to improve the ability of the GNSO to carry out its policy-development obligations... they haven't even managed to put together a proper working group on any topic whatsoever or for that matter discuss DNS policy on their own discussion lists.

I will not support the current text as I believe it to be detrimental to a GNSO that suffers enough already from the presence of certain constituencies that only rarely choose to participate. We don't need more of that.

--- "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> wrote:

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I'm closer to supporting this than anything else I've seen yet.

Danny, Evan, what do you think (the document is a little difficult to read as it's very wide, I'm referring to Nick's revisions on the right).

BB

-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Sat 4/26/2008 11:24 AM To: At-Large Worldwide; NA Discuss Subject: [At-Large] GNSO Improvements Statement Edits

Dear All:

I have been requested to provide some language which might act as a 'bridge' which could help to reconcile the views expressed about the Joint Proposal on GNSO Reform which has been the subject of considerable discussion in the NARALO in the last several days.

I hope that what I have crafted is at least close to what is required. As always, whether it is used or not is entirely up to all of you.

I have taken the liberty of doing the drafting using the wiki version of the ALAC Statement to the Board of ICANN on GNSO Improvements, since it seemed to me that this would make it easy for everyone to see the original text of that document and also the changes that I have introduced, Here are some URLs for you:

1. Side-by-side view of the original ALAC draft and the drafting work just done:

https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?action=revision_compare&page_name=a...

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2. Original text of the ALAC Statement, unmodified:

https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?action=revision_view;page_name=al_a...

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3. Joint Proposal of Users:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvements-report-2008/docTwl3R0M9fY.doc

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