All my friends, Unfortunately I happen to partly agree with Mr. Dempsey! I also believe that given escalating cyber crime and errant business behavior in some central sectors of the Internet as it is today, much of the cyber crime could have been avoided. But alas and sadly, either the Internet gets cleaned up, or a more secure Internet will be necessary and be created. The legacy Internet was and to a great degree is too much based on trust and not trust but verify, and many users as well as other stakeholders do not know how to do the verifying and whom can verify what accurately and honestly. ICANN's registries and registrars as well as the IETF, ITU, internet software and hardware vendors bare allot if not most of the responsibility for Mr. Dempsey's declaration. See: http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=593&doc_id=147027& Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827