Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09
A couple of minor corrections: The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/). It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies. As for this paragraph: However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular
axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
I'm not entirely sure what that means. But the proposal for the consumer constituency grew out of issues related to ALAC, which, at the time, was not really set up to accomodate the interests of consumer groups. And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them. -----Original Message-----
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Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now?
What: An ISOC-NY Forum When: Thurs Oct 8 2009 – 6:45pm – 8:45pm Where: Warren Weaver Hall NYU 251 Mercer St Rm 317 New York NY 10012 http://cs.nyu.edu/web/Location/directions.html Who: Dr Milton Mueller; Beau Brendler; Danny Younger
Admission free: RSVP president@isoc-ny.org
On Oct 1 2009 the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) entered a new era as its Joint Project Agreement (JPA) with the US Government expired and it became a truly independent global organization. In this forum we will examine the processes, currently in flux, of how we the people will get to participate in this new paradigm.
The newly coined Articles of Commitment (AoC) state that ICANN will “operate as a multi-stakeholder, private sector led organization with input from the public, for whose benefit ICANN shall in all events act.”
Currently there are two mechanisms by which the Internet using public are represented at ICANN. The Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC aka NonComm) in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) and the At-Large organization..
The At-Large Advisory Council was formed, with official liaison status, as an interim measure in 2003 after the ICANN board had dispensed with direct public elections. In 2007 with the establishment of regional At-Large Organizations (ALO’s). the ALAC became permanent. ALO membership is open to all individuals and organizations can apply to become an At-Large Structure (ALS). In 2009 it was agreed that an ICANN board seat be allotted to the At-Large.
The GNSO Council is ICANN’s primary body responsible for policy recommendations for generic top level domains. The board balances the GNSO recommendations with input from the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) and liaisons from various technical groups, plus At Large (soon to be seated, as mentioned) plus the ICANN Ombudsman.
Other constituencies in are, Business/Commercial, Registries, ISPs, and Intellectual Property. The NCUC, formerly the Noncommercial Domain Holders Constituency, has thus been, since ICANN’s inception, the sole voice of non-commercial users on the GNSO Council. As such it has taken to representing regular internet users’ concerns as well as those of registrants.
Earlier this year ICANN proposed another re-organization, replacing the GNSO constituencies with two ‘houses’ – Contracted and Non-contracted, each of which was further divided into two stakeholder groups. Contracted has Registries and Registrars; Non-Contracted has Commercial (CSG) and Noncommercial (NCSG). 12 seats on the GNSO Council would be split thus: CSG 6; NCSG 6; Registries 3; Registrars 3.
The former ISP, Business, and IP constituencies are to be folded into the CSG and presumably take two seats each.
On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been alloted to the NCUC and 3 placeholders have been selected by the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee.
The NCUC has argued against the plan insisting that it will only serve to further balkanize the GNSO process, and that practical policymaking would be better served by ad-hoc working groups than the proposed legislative approach. http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/en/improvements/executive-summary-ncsg-prop...
However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
The three speakers we are bringing together on Oct 8 represent widely differing views on how it is best to proceed in the public interest. It is sure to be a very lively and interesting discussion.
We will webcast and there will be an opportunity for remote participation via a chatroom.
More info: http://isoc-ny.org/?p=886
Speakers:
Dr. Milton Mueller
Milton Mueller is a Professor and Director of the Telecommunications Network Management Program at the Syracuse University School of Information Studies. He is the author of ‘Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of Cyberspace’ (MIT Press, 2002) – the definitive account of early Internet governance debates. Mueller was a co-founder of the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) and was chair of NCUC from 2003-2005.
http://www.internetgovernance.org/people-mueller.html
Beau Brendler:
Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a fulltime position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch . He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has recently proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
Danny Younger:
Danny Younger has been involved with ICANN since at least 2001 including active participation on the General Assembly mailing list. He represented ISOC-NY in the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) from 2004-2007. He has for some time advocated for a single Registrants constituency within the GNSO.
More info: ICANN Structure: http://www.icann.org/en/structure/ NonCommercial Users Constituency: http://www.ncdnhc.org/ At-Large Advisory Committee: http://alac.icann.org/
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We could mention your position title at NARSAD?
The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/). It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies.
Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a full time position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch. He now NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
As for this paragraph: However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular
axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
Other constituencies have come forward with the intent to participate within the NCSG framework, independently of NCUC. (Thanks Evan!)
And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them.
On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been allotted to the NCUC and the other 3, pending formation of new constituencies, have been filled by appointees of the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee, -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------
Uh, Beau, you wrote; "It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think." It's been proposed since 2001. So, no it isn't necessarily a recent proposal, nor did you originally write one. Originally, it was proposed by several people over the years. Chris McElroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> To: "Joly MacFie" <joly@punkcast.com>; "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; "NA Discuss" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: WhatNow? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09
A couple of minor corrections:
The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/). It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies.
As for this paragraph: However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular
axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
I'm not entirely sure what that means. But the proposal for the consumer constituency grew out of issues related to ALAC, which, at the time, was not really set up to accomodate the interests of consumer groups.
And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> Sent: Oct 2, 2009 10:41 PM To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09
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Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now?
What: An ISOC-NY Forum When: Thurs Oct 8 2009 – 6:45pm – 8:45pm Where: Warren Weaver Hall NYU 251 Mercer St Rm 317 New York NY 10012 http://cs.nyu.edu/web/Location/directions.html Who: Dr Milton Mueller; Beau Brendler; Danny Younger
Admission free: RSVP president@isoc-ny.org
On Oct 1 2009 the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) entered a new era as its Joint Project Agreement (JPA) with the US Government expired and it became a truly independent global organization. In this forum we will examine the processes, currently in flux, of how we the people will get to participate in this new paradigm.
The newly coined Articles of Commitment (AoC) state that ICANN will “operate as a multi-stakeholder, private sector led organization with input from the public, for whose benefit ICANN shall in all events act.”
Currently there are two mechanisms by which the Internet using public are represented at ICANN. The Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC aka NonComm) in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) and the At-Large organization..
The At-Large Advisory Council was formed, with official liaison status, as an interim measure in 2003 after the ICANN board had dispensed with direct public elections. In 2007 with the establishment of regional At-Large Organizations (ALO’s). the ALAC became permanent. ALO membership is open to all individuals and organizations can apply to become an At-Large Structure (ALS). In 2009 it was agreed that an ICANN board seat be allotted to the At-Large.
The GNSO Council is ICANN’s primary body responsible for policy recommendations for generic top level domains. The board balances the GNSO recommendations with input from the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) and liaisons from various technical groups, plus At Large (soon to be seated, as mentioned) plus the ICANN Ombudsman.
Other constituencies in are, Business/Commercial, Registries, ISPs, and Intellectual Property. The NCUC, formerly the Noncommercial Domain Holders Constituency, has thus been, since ICANN’s inception, the sole voice of non-commercial users on the GNSO Council. As such it has taken to representing regular internet users’ concerns as well as those of registrants.
Earlier this year ICANN proposed another re-organization, replacing the GNSO constituencies with two ‘houses’ – Contracted and Non-contracted, each of which was further divided into two stakeholder groups. Contracted has Registries and Registrars; Non-Contracted has Commercial (CSG) and Noncommercial (NCSG). 12 seats on the GNSO Council would be split thus: CSG 6; NCSG 6; Registries 3; Registrars 3.
The former ISP, Business, and IP constituencies are to be folded into the CSG and presumably take two seats each.
On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been alloted to the NCUC and 3 placeholders have been selected by the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee.
The NCUC has argued against the plan insisting that it will only serve to further balkanize the GNSO process, and that practical policymaking would be better served by ad-hoc working groups than the proposed legislative approach. http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/en/improvements/executive-summary-ncsg-prop...
However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
The three speakers we are bringing together on Oct 8 represent widely differing views on how it is best to proceed in the public interest. It is sure to be a very lively and interesting discussion.
We will webcast and there will be an opportunity for remote participation via a chatroom.
More info: http://isoc-ny.org/?p=886
Speakers:
Dr. Milton Mueller
Milton Mueller is a Professor and Director of the Telecommunications Network Management Program at the Syracuse University School of Information Studies. He is the author of ‘Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of Cyberspace’ (MIT Press, 2002) – the definitive account of early Internet governance debates. Mueller was a co-founder of the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) and was chair of NCUC from 2003-2005.
http://www.internetgovernance.org/people-mueller.html
Beau Brendler:
Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a fulltime position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch . He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has recently proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
Danny Younger:
Danny Younger has been involved with ICANN since at least 2001 including active participation on the General Assembly mailing list. He represented ISOC-NY in the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) from 2004-2007. He has for some time advocated for a single Registrants constituency within the GNSO.
More info: ICANN Structure: http://www.icann.org/en/structure/ NonCommercial Users Constituency: http://www.ncdnhc.org/ At-Large Advisory Committee: http://alac.icann.org/
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Well, I can't speak for Beau, but I would imagine what he meant is that this was the intitial proposal under the current re-organization scheme. Joly On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Chris McElroy 786-317-8774 <namecritic@blogs.pn> wrote:
Uh, Beau, you wrote; "It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think."
It's been proposed since 2001. So, no it isn't necessarily a recent proposal, nor did you originally write one. Originally, it was proposed by several people over the years.
Chris McElroy
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A couple of minor corrections:
The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/). It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies.
As for this paragraph: However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular
axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
I'm not entirely sure what that means. But the proposal for the consumer constituency grew out of issues related to ALAC, which, at the time, was not really set up to accomodate the interests of consumer groups.
And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> Sent: Oct 2, 2009 10:41 PM To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09
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Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now?
What: An ISOC-NY Forum When: Thurs Oct 8 2009 – 6:45pm – 8:45pm Where: Warren Weaver Hall NYU 251 Mercer St Rm 317 New York NY 10012 http://cs.nyu.edu/web/Location/directions.html Who: Dr Milton Mueller; Beau Brendler; Danny Younger
Admission free: RSVP president@isoc-ny.org
On Oct 1 2009 the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) entered a new era as its Joint Project Agreement (JPA) with the US Government expired and it became a truly independent global organization. In this forum we will examine the processes, currently in flux, of how we the people will get to participate in this new paradigm.
The newly coined Articles of Commitment (AoC) state that ICANN will “operate as a multi-stakeholder, private sector led organization with input from the public, for whose benefit ICANN shall in all events act.”
Currently there are two mechanisms by which the Internet using public are represented at ICANN. The Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC aka NonComm) in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) and the At-Large organization..
The At-Large Advisory Council was formed, with official liaison status, as an interim measure in 2003 after the ICANN board had dispensed with direct public elections. In 2007 with the establishment of regional At-Large Organizations (ALO’s). the ALAC became permanent. ALO membership is open to all individuals and organizations can apply to become an At-Large Structure (ALS). In 2009 it was agreed that an ICANN board seat be allotted to the At-Large.
The GNSO Council is ICANN’s primary body responsible for policy recommendations for generic top level domains. The board balances the GNSO recommendations with input from the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) and liaisons from various technical groups, plus At Large (soon to be seated, as mentioned) plus the ICANN Ombudsman.
Other constituencies in are, Business/Commercial, Registries, ISPs, and Intellectual Property. The NCUC, formerly the Noncommercial Domain Holders Constituency, has thus been, since ICANN’s inception, the sole voice of non-commercial users on the GNSO Council. As such it has taken to representing regular internet users’ concerns as well as those of registrants.
Earlier this year ICANN proposed another re-organization, replacing the GNSO constituencies with two ‘houses’ – Contracted and Non-contracted, each of which was further divided into two stakeholder groups. Contracted has Registries and Registrars; Non-Contracted has Commercial (CSG) and Noncommercial (NCSG). 12 seats on the GNSO Council would be split thus: CSG 6; NCSG 6; Registries 3; Registrars 3.
The former ISP, Business, and IP constituencies are to be folded into the CSG and presumably take two seats each.
On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been alloted to the NCUC and 3 placeholders have been selected by the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee.
The NCUC has argued against the plan insisting that it will only serve to further balkanize the GNSO process, and that practical policymaking would be better served by ad-hoc working groups than the proposed legislative approach.
http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/en/improvements/executive-summary-ncsg-prop...
However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
The three speakers we are bringing together on Oct 8 represent widely differing views on how it is best to proceed in the public interest. It is sure to be a very lively and interesting discussion.
We will webcast and there will be an opportunity for remote participation via a chatroom.
More info: http://isoc-ny.org/?p=886
Speakers:
Dr. Milton Mueller
Milton Mueller is a Professor and Director of the Telecommunications Network Management Program at the Syracuse University School of Information Studies. He is the author of ‘Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of Cyberspace’ (MIT Press, 2002) – the definitive account of early Internet governance debates. Mueller was a co-founder of the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) and was chair of NCUC from 2003-2005.
http://www.internetgovernance.org/people-mueller.html
Beau Brendler:
Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a fulltime position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch . He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has recently proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
Danny Younger:
Danny Younger has been involved with ICANN since at least 2001 including active participation on the General Assembly mailing list. He represented ISOC-NY in the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) from 2004-2007. He has for some time advocated for a single Registrants constituency within the GNSO.
More info: ICANN Structure: http://www.icann.org/en/structure/ NonCommercial Users Constituency: http://www.ncdnhc.org/ At-Large Advisory Committee: http://alac.icann.org/
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Joly MacFie