Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
Derek, John, and all, Same is essentially true for Google.com, gmail.com, googlemail.com, and wikipedia.org, as well as 68,000 other Domain names in the US, yet it seems that John is emphisizing Canada in particular? Very odd indeed! -----Original Message-----
From: Derek Smythe <derek@aa419.org> Sent: May 3, 2008 11:47 AM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
Sadly I have to agree with John.
Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy protected and all!
That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper.
However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance and the Registrar as will cancel it.
There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances.
Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like to say I live in the real world of the Internet.
However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation? If the responses are one of the stock standard: - DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam, spam, phish domains? - Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight. - Court Order, which court in which country? - Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced?
http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain?
To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made the headlines already recently.
I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This information has been used to protect the all internet users time and again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible? How will they collaborate with other parties?
Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences.
I guess history will tell.
Regards
Derek
John Levine wrote:
kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS policy - but also implementing it.
Yes indeed. Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St Johns to Victoria really appreciates it.
R's, John
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Jeffrey, You have been warned before about personal attacks. Consider this a warning and please desist. John was simply responding to Ross Rader and so put it in a Canadian context. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:15 PM To: derek@aa419.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; aheineman@ntia.doc.gov; info@us-cert.gov Cc: jefsey@club-internet.fr; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Julie.myers@dhs.gov; mike@palage.com; vint@google.com; staff@atlarge.icann.org; twomey@icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; dannyyounger@yahoo.com; Brenbe@consumer.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access Derek, John, and all, Same is essentially true for Google.com, gmail.com, googlemail.com, and wikipedia.org, as well as 68,000 other Domain names in the US, yet it seems that John is emphisizing Canada in particular? Very odd indeed! -----Original Message-----
From: Derek Smythe <derek@aa419.org> Sent: May 3, 2008 11:47 AM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Access
Sadly I have to agree with John.
Why, doesn't cxeibbltd.com just host a lovely domain, privacy protected and all!
That is until you search on the telephone number given on the contact page, 1-800-882-4036 and start digging deeper.
However, all is not bad. The privacy provider for the mentioned domain will most likely expose whois since they have a zero fraud tolerance and the Registrar as will cancel it.
There is a lesson to learn here: Checks and balances.
Many of these scammers' domains pass our hands regularly, I would like to say I live in the real world of the Internet.
However, what is CIRA's policy upon encountering a similar situation? If the responses are one of the stock standard: - DRP, who will pay for the procedures for all those lovely scam, spam, phish domains? - Law Enforcement, I can guarantee you once again the process will be flawed unless the RCP rapidly expands their forces overnight. - Court Order, which court in which country? - Will the company vs private registrant rule be enforced?
http://www.cira.ca/en/documents/2007/PRP-rant-agreementv1.7.pdf How do you promptly resolve an issue? Evidence of residence faxed is as far as your nearest DTP package. I can show you many ID's and employee cards published by all but the logos of the institutions they claim to represent. Snail mail for a phishing domain?
To spice up the mix, we just add a large known contingent of scammers and carders known to live on the Toronto area, some of who have made the headlines already recently.
I can show list upon list of registrants that turned out to be the same person, all determined by analyzing whois details. This information has been used to protect the all internet users time and again. Who will do this at CIRA where full whois info is not visible? How will they collaborate with other parties?
Pardon me if I sound cynical, but I have seen too many abuse reports ignored and too many ordinary internet users suffer the consequences.
I guess history will tell.
Regards
Derek
John Levine wrote:
kudos to CIRA for not only developing a privacy friendly WHOIS policy - but also implementing it.
Yes indeed. Every crook, scammer, phisher, and fraudster from St Johns to Victoria really appreciates it.
R's, John
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