Webcast today 6pm EDT: Issues in Domain Name Dispute Resolution
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Lawrence Strickling of the US Dep't of Commerce wrote to ICANN yesterday reiterating the US government's unhappiness with ICANN's rush to new TLDs, and in particular their abandoning the registry-registrar split. A copy of the letter is on the ICANN web site. That letter refers to a letter to the ICANN board from the European Commission dated June 14th. I have been unable to find a copy of that letter. Has anyone here seen it? DOC letter here: http://www.icann.org/en/correspondence/ Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate. What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing. It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive. Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing? I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC?
On what basis should the allocation of IPv4 be reopened at ICANN now when IANA has no addresses left to allocate? Christian de Larrinaga On 18 Jun 2011, at 08:07, Franck Martin <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate.
What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing.
It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC? _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
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It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
This shouldn't come as a surprise.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
Since there is no chance whatsoever that ARIN will give its space to other RIRs, I don't see any point in even asking the question. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Hi franck, Whlle we could have a discussion it would be more capacity building than debate, as others have noted, the final allocations have been made. Afaik, apnic is still allocating and assigning ipv4. According to the global policies developed using the global pdp, each RIR was allocated one /8, when the IANA pool reached 5. How would you have divided up the pool? Why do you say "stuck"? Apnic has the most liberal IPv4 transfer policies in the world. In any case, there are several economies in asia that are leading in ipv6 adoption which has led to bleeding edge mobile internet deployments. Rgds, McTim On Jun 18, 2011 10:08 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate.
What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing.
It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC?
Yes APNIC is still allocating, but they are in careful mode... I would have allocated so that all RIRs reach the same point more or less at the same time. Seems like ARIN may take a year or two before reaching the end of its pool. May be something like: APNIC:4 ARIN:2 RIPE:2 LACNIC:1 AFRINIC:1 10/8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, 19 June, 2011 6:45:26 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] IPv4 or what is left of it... Hi franck, Whlle we could have a discussion it would be more capacity building than debate, as others have noted, the final allocations have been made. Afaik, apnic is still allocating and assigning ipv4. According to the global policies developed using the global pdp, each RIR was allocated one /8, when the IANA pool reached 5. How would you have divided up the pool? Why do you say "stuck"? Apnic has the most liberal IPv4 transfer policies in the world. In any case, there are several economies in asia that are leading in ipv6 adoption which has led to bleeding edge mobile internet deployments. Rgds, McTim On Jun 18, 2011 10:08 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate.
What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing.
It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC?
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Hi, They are in "careful mode" due to their community's choice. While it might have been useful for all the regions to run out at roughly the same time, i doubt that more than one region would have reached consensus on such a scheme. It certainly would not have been palatable to many in my region. However, if you look at "who got what" just before the last 5 were allocated, apnic did get 2 /8s in that period. Rgds, McTim On Jun 19, 2011 12:53 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes APNIC is still allocating, but they are in careful mode...
I would have allocated so that all RIRs reach the same point more or less at the same time. Seems like ARIN may take a year or two before reaching the end of its pool.
May be something like:
APNIC:4 ARIN:2 RIPE:2 LACNIC:1 AFRINIC:1
10/8
----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, 19 June, 2011 6:45:26 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] IPv4 or what is left of it...
Hi franck,
Whlle we could have a discussion it would be more capacity building than debate, as others have noted, the final allocations have been made.
Afaik, apnic is still allocating and assigning ipv4. According to the global policies developed using the global pdp, each RIR was allocated one /8, when the IANA pool reached 5. How would you have divided up the pool?
Why do you say "stuck"? Apnic has the most liberal IPv4 transfer policies in the world. In any case, there are several economies in asia that are leading in ipv6 adoption which has led to bleeding edge mobile internet deployments.
Rgds, McTim
On Jun 18, 2011 10:08 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate.
What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing.
It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC?
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
Yes they were consuming /8 more than anyone else... in fact based on IANA allocation rules, I heard, they could have exhhausted the pool one year in advance, but choose not to, to avoid panic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, 19 June, 2011 10:19:09 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] IPv4 or what is left of it... Hi, They are in "careful mode" due to their community's choice. While it might have been useful for all the regions to run out at roughly the same time, i doubt that more than one region would have reached consensus on such a scheme. It certainly would not have been palatable to many in my region. However, if you look at "who got what" just before the last 5 were allocated, apnic did get 2 /8s in that period. Rgds, McTim On Jun 19, 2011 12:53 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes APNIC is still allocating, but they are in careful mode...
I would have allocated so that all RIRs reach the same point more or less at the same time. Seems like ARIN may take a year or two before reaching the end of its pool.
May be something like:
APNIC:4 ARIN:2 RIPE:2 LACNIC:1 AFRINIC:1
10/8
----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Sunday, 19 June, 2011 6:45:26 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] IPv4 or what is left of it...
Hi franck,
Whlle we could have a discussion it would be more capacity building than debate, as others have noted, the final allocations have been made.
Afaik, apnic is still allocating and assigning ipv4. According to the global policies developed using the global pdp, each RIR was allocated one /8, when the IANA pool reached 5. How would you have divided up the pool?
Why do you say "stuck"? Apnic has the most liberal IPv4 transfer policies in the world. In any case, there are several economies in asia that are leading in ipv6 adoption which has led to bleeding edge mobile internet deployments.
Rgds, McTim
On Jun 18, 2011 10:08 AM, "Franck Martin" <franck.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone talks about TLDs, etc... but IPs are also part of ICANN mandate.
What I notice is that, APNIC is not anymore handing over IPv4 to anyone. RIPE pool of IPv4 is slowly decreasing, but ARIN pool is barely decreasing.
It means that the AP region is stuck to move to IPv6 while NA region has no incentive.
Should there not be a better redistribution of the left over IPs over the RIR, to put all regions on same footing?
I feel there is a debate worth having at ALAC?
At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
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