I have to agree with Thomas that I'd rather 
people knew the meaning of what they were signing 
than where they were to stand on stage.

--Wendy

At 09:21 AM 3/28/2007, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>On 2007-03-28 14:18:00 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> > Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm 
> just under the gun> to finish the staging order 
> for the ceremony tomorrow rather
> > urgently as it is quite complex and involves 
> many people as you> can imagine...
>Just in case you didn't notice -- the questions 
>I'm asking are aboutthe substance of what is 
>apparently going to be signed, and I thinkit 
>would be appropriate to deal with these well before the signingceremony.
>-- Thomas Roessler   <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler 
> <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote:> >Hi 
> Nick,> >> >how about an answer to the questions 
> in this message?> >> >| From: Thomas Roessler 
> <roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >| To: 
> nick.ashton-hart@icann.org,> >| 
> Discussion for At-Large Europe 
> <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >| 
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200> >| 
> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the 
> MoUs> >> >On another matter, I notice the 
> following in your proposed> >electronic signing 
> statement:> >> >| I hereby consent for [INSERT 
> ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by> >| the 
> terms of the Memorandum of Understanding 
> between ICANN and the> >| Signing Organisations 
> in the European Region as if I were 
> personally> >| signing the document.> >> >How 
> does this language (which clearly suggests some 
> kind of binding> >effect) mix with this 
> statement of yours to the na-discuss 
> list,> >made last Friday?> >> >| From:  "Nick 
> Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >| Subj:  Re: [NA-Di!
>scuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended 
>beneficiary> >|   of RALO MOUs> >| Date:  Fri 
>Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am> >| Size:  2K> >| 
>To:  "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com>> >| 
>cc:  "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda@afcn.org>, 
>na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >|> >| To 
>clarify, as I have been given to understand the 
>MoUs between ICANN> >| and the regions is not a 
>contract as that term is understood in law.> >| 
>It is an agreement, but not of legal standing 
>such as a contract.> >> >Thanks for your 
>clarification,> >--> >Thomas 
>Roessler 
><roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >> >> >> >> >> >On 
>  2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart 
>wrote:> >> From: Nick Ashton-Hart 
><nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >> To: 
>bruch@humanistische-union.de, 
>kiravuo@tml.hut.fi,> >>       Wolfgang 
>Kleinwächter> >> 
><Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>,>  
> >>       wolfgang@imv.au.dk, 
>aoliva@isoc-cat.org, 
>aoliva@diplomaticnet.com,> >> 
>dpefeva@isoc.bg, patrick@vande-walle.eu, Patrick@isoc.l!
>u,> >>       rudi.vansnick@isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet@isoc.!
>fr> >> Cc: Europe Discuss 
><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Date: 
>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100> >> Subject: 
>[EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT 
>EMAIL> >> Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large 
>Europe> >> 
><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> 
>List-Id: Discussion for At-Large 
>Europe> >> 
><euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org>>  
> >> X-Spam-Level:> >> X-Bogosity: Ham, 
>tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, 
>version=1.1.5> >>> >> Dear All:> >>> >> I have 
>heard from the following people with the details 
>required to finish> >> the signature 
>page.> >>> >> IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW 
>PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY> >> 
>WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS 
>OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!> >>> >> Internet Society 
>- Bulgaria> >> Signing person: Dragoslava 
>Pefeva> >> Position: Coordinator for 
>ALAC> >>> >> Name of Organisation: Medienstadt 
>Leipzig e.V.> >>> >> Name of Signer: Wolfgang 
>Kleinwächter> >>> >> Position of Signe!
>r: Member of the Board> >>> >> > Name of 
>Organisation : Internet Society 
>Belgium> >>> >> > Name of Signer : Rudi 
>Vansnick> >>> >> > Position of Signer : 
>Chair> >>> >> Name of Organisation   Internet 
>Society Luxembourg> >>> >> Name of 
>Signer             Patrick Vande Walle> >>> >> 
>Position of Signer         Chairman> >>> >> Name 
>of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet 
>Society ­ Isoc> >> France> >>> >> Name of Signer 
>Sébastien Bachollet> >>> >> Position of Signer 
>Président> >>> >>> >> DIGITAL SIGNERS> >>> >> 
>(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)> >>> >> 
>Christophe BRUCH> >> "German Civil Liberties 
>Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)> >>> >> 
>Board Member> >>> >> > Name of Organisation: 
>netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new 
>media> >> (nnm)> >>> >> > Name of Signer: 
>Annette Muehlberg> >>> >> > Position of Signer: 
>Chair> >> >> 
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