Re: [At-Large] Privacy, rights and fall meeting..

May 23, 2008


      Well - I don't.
Jacqueline.
Of course, Jacque might, whoever that may be!

Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
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Jacque and all,
If I understand you correctly you want non discrimination
due to gender added as a "Core Value" re the Egypt fall meeting,
and if not, than privacy should also not be added or is redundant.
I do strongly agree as a "Core Value" non discrimination due
to race, gender or condition of servitude should be such
"Core Values" and so added accordingly and specifically.
-----Original Message-----
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From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Sent: May 23, 2008 2:17 PM
To: Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info>
Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [At-Large] Privacy, rights and fall meeting..
All I asked is WHY it's important to you and Danny. If you don't want to 
answer, fine.
I NEVER suggested that we act to have gender be added - I simply noted 
that it wasn't there (as many other values aren't) so why do you guys 
want privacy added?
And  I have no idea what you are talking about re Egypt.
Jacqueline
Robert Guerra wrote:
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Jacqueline:
Have we had discussions about gender before in regards to icann  
policy? Is there a working group, policy group that is talking about  
gender? have any user groups and/or at-large groups raised the issue  
before?
I don't think so. If you want to start that - new - discussion, please  
feel free to do so.
At-large groups have commented on the importance of privacy, and such  
- it is the reason I am supportive of Danny's proposal. I'm not saying  
one right is more important then the other - just that ALAC has raised  
the right of Privacy as a right before and we should include it as a  
core value.
Of course, having ICANN adopt and include more comprehensive core  
values that are support of human rights  would be most welcome. As  
I've mentioned before, instead of including a laundry list of rights  
to include (and ones to exclude) at-large might prefer instead to  
support that ICANN adopt the UNDHR as a core value. Countries have  
done so at the UN - icann should as well.
btw. I still haven't gotten any comments from you or others on the  
ALAC in regards to my request to ICANN  management to state if they  
will seek assurances from the Egyptian authorities that users from  
both Egypt and the region will be able to freely attend the meeting  
and have access to an unfiltered internet.   In short I am most  
disappointed that  ALAC and the at-large community seems mostly  
silent  on the issue..
regards
Robert
On 23-May-08, at 4:08 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
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hi Robert
Since you also indicate that you think privacy is a core value, I  
will ask you the question as well - what in your opinion makes  
privacy a core value? What are the reasons? I can see gender being a  
core value , it's pretty universal, I can see cultural diversity -  
pretty much universal as well  - basically all the human rights  
ones. Privacy isn't a value enshrined in consitutions and cultures  
universally AFAIK. So it will help explain it if you guys could say  
what it is, and why it's a core value.
Jacqueline
Robert Guerra wrote:
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Before we start making a laundry list of values - let's first  
review  existing statements and values mentioned both by users and  
At-large.  Privacy is such a core value - and I support - Danny's  
proposal that  privacy be added as a core value.
On the topic of additional values - instead of listing individual   
rights (such as privacy, gender, etc) we might want instead to  
focus  on having ICANN adopt  as a key value - a strong endorsement  
of the   international norms such as the Vienna convention on human  
rights. The  logic being, if it wants to act as an international  
body - they it  should adopt and promote rights already agreed to  
by the international  community.
http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.CONF.157.23.En
regards
Robert
On 23-May-08, at 3:26 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
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Hi Danny
Not to say I agree or disagree, but I would like to ask  - why  
privacy
as a core value and not for example adding gender into core value #4
(functional, geographic, and cultural diversity )
Why is privacy a core value in your opinion?
Jacqueline
Danny Younger wrote:
> Dear members of the ALAC:
>
> As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core
> Value".  The word "privacy" does not appear within the
> bylaws.  I am of the view that ICANN would be well
> served by articulating that it respects privacy.
>
> If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the
> fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy,
> we need to have a starting point to stimulate
> ICANN-wide discussion.  Accordingly, I am asking you
> to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN
> Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws
> so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value
> to be respected.
>
> I look forward to your comments.
>
> Danny Younger
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