Vini and all, Well at least we agree on a few important things, but still disagree on others. That's progress! >:) First, no one of reasonable intelligence believes anything Wikipedia says about any organization or individual for well documented reasons. Second, Geneva Conventions were and sometimes still are convenient when things are not going so well for some group or nation in turmoil, than when things settle down, the Geneva conventions are easily ignored and ignored routinely. Third, Bulgaria was smart and remains so in not having a credit card system, however ICANN early on in 1999 mandated the need for a credit card for registering a Domain Name despite that being a restraint of trade and a disadvantage to countries like Bulgaria. It is true that issues that concern the good ole USA are not always shared by other countries especially those countries that are not democratic, are run by dictators or military junta's. And that is how things should be, so let those countries develop, deploy and market their own Internet anchored by their respective ccTLD's. I am sure that Estonia would be happy to help Bulgaria develop their own Internet as I am just as sure that Iran would be more than happy to help Iraq and Afghanistan develop theirs as well. >:) But frankly I believe the largess of the rest of the world can do without the additional spam. All this chatter about what should be "Core Values" is nothing new in the ICANN jaundra, it is only being rehashed. Yet if ICANN ever expects to break away for US control, it will need to be very strong in it's "Core Values" that the US has historically supported and espoused for decades. -----Original Message-----

From: Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> Sent: May 23, 2008 7:19 PM To: Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info>, At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Action Requested on Privacy

Hi.

As long as we talk about conventions, how about the Geneva conventions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions ) ?

ICANN should treat PoW civilized, and should not use chemical weapons.

Of course, one can only wonder how amazingly different topics could be produced on this list, which cause people to waste time to read and respond to them.

Privacy issues are quite different in the USA (where they will take your phone number in any grocery "for the discounts card"), in Bulgaria, where social security numbers, SSN, can be found in any federal, regional or municipal institution ( but then, the SSN is of no usage, as there is no working credit card system), or in Canada, or in Denmark or Sweden. Or in China, Australia, South Africa, etc.

The problems that are of concern for the American At Large members are not necessarily the ones of concern for the rest of the world.

Ah, and let's not forget also the interest of the commercial registrants for their own privacy (and in some cases at the users' expense)

Best, Veni

On 5/23/08, Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:

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Before we start making a laundry list of values - let's first review existing statements and values mentioned both by users and At-large. Privacy is such a core value - and I support - Danny's proposal that privacy be added as a core value.

On the topic of additional values - instead of listing individual rights (such as privacy, gender, etc) we might want instead to focus on having ICANN adopt as a key value - a strong endorsement of the international norms such as the Vienna convention on human rights. The logic being, if it wants to act as an international body - they it should adopt and promote rights already agreed to by the international community.

http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.CONF.157.23.En

regards

Robert

On 23-May-08, at 3:26 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:

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Hi Danny Not to say I agree or disagree, but I would like to ask - why privacy as a core value and not for example adding gender into core value #4 (functional, geographic, and cultural diversity ) Why is privacy a core value in your opinion? Jacqueline Danny Younger wrote:

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Dear members of the ALAC:

As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core Value". The word "privacy" does not appear within the bylaws. I am of the view that ICANN would be well served by articulating that it respects privacy.

If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy, we need to have a starting point to stimulate ICANN-wide discussion. Accordingly, I am asking you to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value to be respected.

I look forward to your comments.

Danny Younger

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