Re: [At-Large] Budget & Finance SubCommittee Meeting

April 12, 2008

      Danny and all,

  Thank you Danny for re-introducing this subject issue
in respect to Budget&Finance for the ALAC as it relates
to meeting attendance costs/expendatures.  It as you know,
has always been my personal opinion that such funding as
with all ALAC funding should come from withing the ALAC,
not from ICANN's funds.  Of course, ICANN's funds should never
have been a result of registrant fees, which is an unfair
form of taxation without full representation, which is
now the case and always has been.

  If the ALAC and/or any ALS cannot raise it's own funds
for whatever purposes, than it is doomed to failure as it
cannot be considered legitimate by definition and broadly
excepted business norms.

-----Original Message-----
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From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com>
Sent: Apr 11, 2008 7:58 AM
To: Izumi AIZU <iza@anr.org>, Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>
Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [At-Large] Budget & Finance SubCommittee Meeting
Izumi,
I am targeting wasteful spending on the part of those
that think ICANN is a cash cow to be milked.
You want the ALAC to subsidize travel expenses for an
event that only draws a few people and that already
accomodates a number of extremely knowledgable ICANN
veterans.
Why should ICANN pay for this?
It's not unreasonable to ask you to properly justify
your request as the APRALO will be spending monies
that they did not raise that come from the pockets of
the registrant community.
--- Izumi AIZU <iza@anr.org> wrote:
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Thanks  Adam, your comments are mostly, if not all,
on target.
Danny, I don't understand why you are targeting at
something
totally outside your own region. AP region has been
trying to
raise awareness on ICANN and AtLarge, and APNG is
one
good area, among others, to reach out future
generations.
I understand you spend 30 minutes on google or web
search
to find some "old" folks involved,  but they are
mostly only
nominally involved, but not substantively, with APNG
camp,
which is getting much more youth oriented, and henth
future oriented. While they are not all intersted in
Domain
Name or IP addres areas per se at this moment, they
are
very much acting as user/culture initiatives. Thus I
don't understand
why you make so much noise about what you really do
not
know. Please mind your own business first. Don' try
to shoot your
potential friends, serisouly.
izumi
2008/4/11, Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>:
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Danny,
The purpose of the camp is to bring young people
working on Internet technology and policy issues
together with some of the experienced folk.  The
camp's goal is to nurture the next generation of
Internet pioneers (apologies if that sounds a
little hackneyed, but that's really what it tries
to do...)  You have things back to front, it's
not a junket for the experienced but an
opportunity for those who want to learn and to
contribute in the future.
It also has a secondary purpose of helping these
younger people present papers in English and
discuss issues in English.  Most are not native
English speaker. Necessary if they are to be able
to participate in organizations line ICANN.
Information about the camp
<http://www.apng.org/10thcamp.htm>
...
I am not involved in the camp, have no knowledge
of its current level of sponsorship, programme
etc.  But think important to correct Danny's
misrepresentation of the camp's purpose.
Best,
Adam
At 5:45 AM -0700 4/11/08, Danny Younger wrote:
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Cheryl,
Please forward this message to whomever sits on
the
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Budget & Finance SubCommittee.
At the meeting scheduled for 18 April the
subcommittee
will discuss agenda item 6 (Listing of
Community-Identified Priorities for 2008/2009
with a
Budgetary Dimension) which includes a request by
the
APRALO for "Funding to sponsor the APNG Camp in
Thailand (Outreach)".
The APNG Camp annually draws about 50
participants.
It has an executive committee that includes a
number
of well-known ICANN luminaries such as Tommy
Matsumoto
(former ALAC member), Kilnam Chon and Paul
Wilson.
It has an Advisory Board that also includes
figures
well-known in ICANN circles such as Tan Tin Wee
and
Jun Murai (former ICANN Board Director).
The APNG Steering Committee includes people like
Izumi
Aizu (current ALAC member) and James Seng.
Its At-Large Committee includes Qian Hualin
(former
ICANN Board director and Hong Xue (current ALAC
member).
At last year's camp, Tuesday morning saw a
presentation on "ICANN ALAC and APRALO
activities".
This is probably the one organization in the
world for
which an ALAC Outreach effort is most definately
not
required.  The Camp is primarily populated by
those
that know ICANN all too well -- they have no need
of
an outreach effort as their own internal
committees
and members are all fully familiar with the ALAC
and
RALO and ICANN processes.
Spending funds on this initiative ostensibly on
behalf
of "outreach" is not only a waste of monies, but
it's
an insult to the integrity of the ALAC funds
disbursement process.
The ALAC should not be in the business of funding
junkets.
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