Thanks for sharing Dev, this is certainly an old discussion that is being revived in circumstances such as the current announcement of the closure of Skype. I share the opinion of other colleagues in wanting us to use open solutions as opposed to Teams which is widely known for how invasive it is in systems (OSs, Mobiles). Could we make new suggestions to Icann as a working team, since we have done so before? Warm regards Harold Arcos LACRALO Chair On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 11:14 AM Dev Anand Teelucksingh via ttf < ttf@icann.org> wrote:

and the Microsoft Blog Post : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2025/02/28/the-next-chapt...

On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 11:37 AM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

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Also see Microsoft FAQ page : https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/skype-is-retiring-in-may-2025-what...

On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 10:20 AM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

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So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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I see staff has just now sent out a notice. I don't know how many people read the Chairman's Blog so I imagine this is a surprise for many. But anything that helps deepen the board understanding of what we do will be useful. Hope there is a recording. Marita On 2025-03-07 7:48 a.m., Marita Moll via At-Large wrote:

Just saw this in the Chairman's blog. It is not on any of my calendars and not something I was expecting to see, so maybe others also missed this.

"The ICANN Board will hold its next three-day workshop before the ICANN82 Community Forum in Seattle. This workshop will include a public informational session on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)"

ALAC Informational Session <https://nj88a9rab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001tAdP26n4dC3B5jqAXner8ZnXut3Ox4RkeIw...>

Friday, 7 March 2025 | 13:45–15:15 PST (21:45–23:15 UTC)

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Great timing!  Because, of course, everybody arrives a day or two early for ICANN meetings.  Of course.  Sigh Bill Jouris Who is scheduled to arrive Friday evening  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 4:49 AM, Marita Moll via At-Large<at-large@icann.org> wrote: Just saw this in the Chairman's blog. It is not on any of my calendars and not something I was expecting to see, so maybe others also missed this. "The ICANN Board will hold its next three-day workshop before the ICANN82 Community Forum in Seattle. This workshop will include a public informational session on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)" ALAC Informational Session Friday, 7 March 2025 | 13:45–15:15 PST (21:45–23:15 UTC) Marita   _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

Hi Olivier, Slack was never allowed since there was a cost and ICANN Org did not want to pay for it.  It is only available to ICANN staff They do have a free version, but I think it was limited and was not authorized by ICANN org. Staff is investigating what are our options and will give us some options Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail:Judith@jhellerstein.com Website:www.jhellerstein.com Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 2/28/25 1:22 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via ttf wrote:

Bearing in mind this group had tested Slack, was Slack ever considered seriously, or did its shortfalls make it a dead end? Also - a lot of young people mention "Discord" - again not an Open Source solution...

Best,

Olivier

ps. for someone who is using Skype to dial out to telephone numbers, what are the alternative softwares if Skype is retired?

On 28/02/2025 14:20, Dev Anand Teelucksingh via ttf wrote:

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So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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It was a recommendation to At-Large to consider the free tier for Slack at the time (around 2017 or so (time flies!)) given the advantages of group chat over Skype. ICANN At-Large Slack was created back in 2014 and used in ATLAS II. The problem now is that Slack in the last year has changed the free tier to only search the last 90 days of messages and only have full access to past messages if you pay. There is a tier for non profits up to 250 users with full functionality - our ALS (Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society) applied for this about 2-3 years ago and it has worked well for us. I still believe in group chat but some analysis and tests will have to be done (Teams ? Signal? Jami ? ) Re: phone calls - this was an area where Skype shined - it was also free to call 800 numbers in the US so you could use Skype to dial the 800 number for Adigo to select the language channel ( since the Zoom audio channel was, until recently, was only broadcasting one Adigo channel in or in the case of f2f meetings, the uninterpreted audio) A replacement for Skype to dial phone numbers ? Maybe Keepcalling? https://keepcalling.com/ <https://keepcalling.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopBWTfyJz_g7-0zRF9ZzKiKlNXMU9Tde0rnALT...> - never used it as I never had the need before. Dev Anand On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 2:22 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

Bearing in mind this group had tested Slack, was Slack ever considered seriously, or did its shortfalls make it a dead end? Also - a lot of young people mention "Discord" - again not an Open Source solution...

Best,

Olivier

ps. for someone who is using Skype to dial out to telephone numbers, what are the alternative softwares if Skype is retired?

On 28/02/2025 14:20, Dev Anand Teelucksingh via ttf wrote:

So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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I continue to be a fan of Loomio<https://www.loomio.com/> rather than SLACK but I’m not sure either is really a replacement for Skype. That’s more WhatsApp or something like Viber<https://www.viber.com/>. From: Natálie Terčová via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 11:43 AM To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Dear all, Adding to this discussion, I have a good experience with Discord, as there can be many sub-servers and rooms for various WGs, RALOs,... visible for only those for whom they are relevant. It may be a good option to consider, as it is free and it would finally solve the issue of fragmented conversations across mailing lists/ skype/ whatsapp etc. There, all discussions can be happening on one, big server. Just food for thoughts, @staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. In two big orgs I cooperate with, we eventually switched to Discord, and all has been great ever since. Have a nice weekend. NT pá 28. 2. 2025 v 15:21 odesílatel Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napsal: So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ? Dev Anand Teelucksingh "It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers." https://www.theverge.com/news/621353/microsoft-skype-shutting-down-retiremen... _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org<mailto:at-large-leave@icann.org> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

I've heard people say Discourse <https://www.discourse.org/> is good. Is it better than Discord? I asked our AI overlords... https://chatgpt.com/share/67c23afb-c218-8013-8621-4c5eee09ddd9 -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- -

​​+1 Jonathan , volunteers should not have to pay license fee, Slack could also be a good option, many companies use it for doing business. Hadia ________________________________ From: Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Sent: 02 April 2025 18:08 To: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com Cc: Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Absolutely true. I don’t think there’s a world in which volunteers should have to pay a license fee. Jonathan From: Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 1:56 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Natálie Terčová <natalie.tercova@gmail.com>; Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>; Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams One item to consider is cost. Are volunteers willing to pay an annual fee if a licensed tool is used? Will ICANN.org acquire an application with the secure, accessible, and diverse features we want in a community tool? It has been indicated that IT staff are exploring a solution to replace Skype? The chosen tool must meet our needs and make conversations more efficient and trackable. 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From: Natálie Terčová via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 11:43 AM To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Dear all, Adding to this discussion, I have a good experience with Discord, as there can be many sub-servers and rooms for various WGs, RALOs,... visible for only those for whom they are relevant. It may be a good option to consider, as it is free and it would finally solve the issue of fragmented conversations across mailing lists/ skype/ whatsapp etc. There, all discussions can be happening on one, big server. Just food for thoughts, @staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. In two big orgs I cooperate with, we eventually switched to Discord, and all has been great ever since. Have a nice weekend. NT pá 28. 2. 2025 v 15:21 odesílatel Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napsal: So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ? Dev Anand Teelucksingh "It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. 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I recently started using teams actively but it's due to the needs of my paid work. I don't see many users from developing world actively using teams, if we need to use something else then perhaps Signal or maybe telegram Regards On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 at 11:28, Jonathan Zuck via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

Do we have anyone on this group who regularly uses Teams? They have a community feature that might be useful but it's new to me.

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​​+1 Jonathan , volunteers should not have to pay license fee, Slack could also be a good option, many companies use it for doing business.

Hadia

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Absolutely true. I don’t think there’s a world in which volunteers should have to pay a license fee. Jonathan

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One item to consider is cost. Are volunteers willing to pay an annual fee if a licensed tool is used? Will ICANN.org acquire an application with the secure, accessible, and diverse features we want in a community tool?

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On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 5:00 PM Jonathan Zuck via ttf <ttf@icann.org <mailto:ttf@icann.org>> wrote: I continue to be a fan of Loomio<https://www.loomio.com/> rather than SLACK but I’m not sure either is really a replacement for Skype. That’s more WhatsApp or something like Viber<https://www.viber.com/>.

From: Natálie Terčová via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto: at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 11:43 AM To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto: staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto: ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; At-Large Worldwide < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

Dear all,

Adding to this discussion, I have a good experience with Discord, as there can be many sub-servers and rooms for various WGs, RALOs,... visible for only those for whom they are relevant. It may be a good option to consider, as it is free and it would finally solve the issue of fragmented conversations across mailing lists/ skype/ whatsapp etc. There, all discussions can be happening on one, big server. Just food for thoughts, @ staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. In two big orgs I cooperate with, we eventually switched to Discord, and all has been great ever since.

Have a nice weekend. NT

pá 28. 2. 2025 v 15:21 odesílatel Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large < at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napsal: So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations. (I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.) - Evan

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial. best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

 I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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Dear Judith and all, It makes sense to only start reviewing a technology if staff has approval to use it. Kind regards Hadia Hadia Elminiawi, M.Sc. Chief Expert - Infrastructure and Radio Spectrum Planning National Telecom Regulatory Authority of Egypt (NTRA) Email: Hadia@tra.gov.eg Smart Village, Cairo/Alex Desert Road, Giza, Egypt 12577 www.tra.gov.eg<http://www.tra.gov.eg/> AFRALO Chairperson / SSAC member Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)​​ ________________________________ From: Betty Fausta - IPEOS <bf@ipeos.com> Sent: 03 April 2025 03:03 To: Judith Hellerstein Cc: Evan Leibovitch; Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi; Jonathan Zuck; Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] Re: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries. hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise [X] -- Betty FAUSTA<https://www.dpo-connect.com> <https://docmail.apps-ipeos.com/> ________________________________ De: "Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> À: "Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> Cc: "Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 Objet: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial. best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations. (I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.) - Evan _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

Hi all, For many years I've been passionate about ensuring we use the right tool for the right job, including the way how we communicate. I've noticed in several communities I'm part of (not only ICANN-related) that we often misuse email as if it were an instant messaging platform, which isn't its optimal purpose. Similarly, we sometimes struggle with event coordination, receiving numerous emails for a single event rather than having one clear calendar invite with appropriate reminders. This leads to confusion and duplicate calendar entries as we add events "just in case." Perhaps it's time to form a small working group to properly define our communication needs and evaluate alternatives? If we're specifically looking for tools that are free, universally accessible, and effective for instant communications, we'll likely narrow down to just a few strong options. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this approach. Adrian On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM Natalia Filina via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

Hello everyone, It seems to me before discussing a certain version of the messenger, we should discuss - what exactly we need, which *set of functions*?

What we use now (and will use for years I guess): mailing lists + confluence + google docs + zoom (yes, it is not 1 platform, but all are +\- secure, coordinated by staff, moderated). If we need some simple channel for fastening of our communications - any messenger like whatsapp|telegram|etc would be enough (free, available for all regions at least now).

Of course if we would develop our project management approach to WG we may think about some tracker. But now we already have everything for work (list above) - more Q we have about engaged and mobilized participants.

P.S.: I am sure we may use Confluence more actively - notifications, comments there, subscriptions to news. So usually we have a tool and use only 15% of its capacity.

Sincerely, Natalia Filina

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чт, 3 апр. 2025 г. в 14:26, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi via At-Large <at-large@icann.org>:

...

Dear Judith and all,

It makes sense to only start reviewing a technology if staff has approval to use it.

Kind regards

Hadia

Hadia Elminiawi, M.Sc. Chief Expert - Infrastructure and Radio Spectrum Planning National Telecom Regulatory Authority of Egypt (NTRA) Email: Hadia@tra.gov.eg Smart Village, Cairo/Alex Desert Road, Giza, Egypt 12577 www.tra.gov.eg<http://www.tra.gov.eg/>

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Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)​​

________________________________ From: Betty Fausta - IPEOS <bf@ipeos.com> Sent: 03 April 2025 03:03 To: Judith Hellerstein Cc: Evan Leibovitch; Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi; Jonathan Zuck; Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] Re: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries.

hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise [X]

-- Betty FAUSTA<https://www.dpo-connect.com> <https://docmail.apps-ipeos.com/>

________________________________ De: "Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> À: "Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> Cc: "Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" < ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 Objet: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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Would it be at all useful to put together a list of requirements for the tool that we want and TTF can then conduct an evaluation exercise? Or is this not necessary? Regards Lance On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 10:29 AM Judith Hellerstein via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

HI Adrian, Yes that is a good idea, but it does not matter whether a tool is free or there is a charge, the problem is that that tool has to be approved by ICANN so that our At Large staff can use it. We have done trials of paid and not paid tools but we still run up against the issue of having to get them approved byICANN IT and ICANN legal before staff can use it. I liked Loomio when we tried it out but ICANN IT would not approve it. It also took a while to get Google docs approved by ICANN IT and ICANN Legal

Best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 3, 2025, at 10:25 AM, Adrian Schmidt-ICANN via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

 Hi all, For many years I've been passionate about ensuring we use the right tool for the right job, including the way how we communicate. I've noticed in several communities I'm part of (not only ICANN-related) that we often misuse email as if it were an instant messaging platform, which isn't its optimal purpose. Similarly, we sometimes struggle with event coordination, receiving numerous emails for a single event rather than having one clear calendar invite with appropriate reminders. This leads to confusion and duplicate calendar entries as we add events "just in case."

Perhaps it's time to form a small working group to properly define our communication needs and evaluate alternatives? If we're specifically looking for tools that are free, universally accessible, and effective for instant communications, we'll likely narrow down to just a few strong options. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this approach.

Adrian

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM Natalia Filina via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hello everyone, It seems to me before discussing a certain version of the messenger, we should discuss - what exactly we need, which *set of functions*?

What we use now (and will use for years I guess): mailing lists + confluence + google docs + zoom (yes, it is not 1 platform, but all are +\- secure, coordinated by staff, moderated). If we need some simple channel for fastening of our communications - any messenger like whatsapp|telegram|etc would be enough (free, available for all regions at least now).

Of course if we would develop our project management approach to WG we may think about some tracker. But now we already have everything for work (list above) - more Q we have about engaged and mobilized participants.

P.S.: I am sure we may use Confluence more actively - notifications, comments there, subscriptions to news. So usually we have a tool and use only 15% of its capacity.

Sincerely, Natalia Filina

Secretary of EURALO https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo

IGF Dynamic Coalition on the Internet of Things, member

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чт, 3 апр. 2025 г. в 14:26, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi via At-Large <at-large@icann.org>:

...

Dear Judith and all,

It makes sense to only start reviewing a technology if staff has approval to use it.

Kind regards

Hadia

Hadia Elminiawi, M.Sc. Chief Expert - Infrastructure and Radio Spectrum Planning National Telecom Regulatory Authority of Egypt (NTRA) Email: Hadia@tra.gov.eg Smart Village, Cairo/Alex Desert Road, Giza, Egypt 12577 www.tra.gov.eg<http://www.tra.gov.eg/>

AFRALO Chairperson / SSAC member

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)​​

________________________________ From: Betty Fausta - IPEOS <bf@ipeos.com> Sent: 03 April 2025 03:03 To: Judith Hellerstein Cc: Evan Leibovitch; Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi; Jonathan Zuck; Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] Re: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries.

hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise [X]

-- Betty FAUSTA<https://www.dpo-connect.com> <https://docmail.apps-ipeos.com/>

________________________________ De: "Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> À: "Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> Cc: "Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" < ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 Objet: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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It may be a good idea to consider reviving the TTF in a form that is appropriate to the present context, and not just because of the Skype issue. With kind regards satish On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 9:23 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

On 03/04/2025 16:23, Adrian Schmidt-ICANN via ttf wrote:

Perhaps it's time to form a small working group to properly define our communication needs and evaluate alternatives? If we're specifically looking for tools that are free, universally accessible, and effective for instant communications, we'll likely narrow down to just a few strong options. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this approach.

Something like this?

https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99665016/At-...

And a page like this?

https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99603069/Sho...

I admit they need to be updated, but they already exist as part of the At-Large Technology Task Force. Best,

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I think that Evan has a point somewhat, that Skype was never sanctioned. It was, and is, a backchannel. If you ask what is the requirement to replace it, surely that is simply it. Joly On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 1:52 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I fully agree, it may be time to revive the TTF.

Best

Hadia

________________________________ From: Satish Babu <sbabu@ieee.org> Sent: 03 April 2025 17:57 To: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Cc: Adrian Schmidt-ICANN; Natalia Filina; Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi; BF; Jonathan Zuck; Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] Re: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

It may be a good idea to consider reviving the TTF in a form that is appropriate to the present context, and not just because of the Skype issue.

With kind regards

satish

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 9:23?PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via At-Large < at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote:

On 03/04/2025 16:23, Adrian Schmidt-ICANN via ttf wrote: Perhaps it's time to form a small working group to properly define our communication needs and evaluate alternatives? If we're specifically looking for tools that are free, universally accessible, and effective for instant communications, we'll likely narrow down to just a few strong options. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this approach.

Something like this?

https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99665016/At-...

And a page like this?

https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99603069/Sho...

I admit they need to be updated, but they already exist as part of the At-Large Technology Task Force. Best,

Olivier _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org<mailto: at-large-leave@icann.org>

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Hello everyone! I agree 100% with Betty. I've been using Libre software for over 20 years. As we know, Team will no longer support Linux in 2022, so I don't see it as a viable option that includes us all. I think the path leads us to using Telegram (a portable communication software that interacts across multiple platforms: iOS, Android, and the Web). Like Betty, I think we need to be pragmatic and inclusive, considering all the operating systems we use. A big hug to everyone. *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra * * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano* El mié, 2 abr 2025 a las 22:03, Betty Fausta - IPEOS via At-Large (< at-large@icann.org>) escribió:

HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries.

hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise

-- *Betty FAUSTA* <https://www.dpo-connect.com> <https://docmail.apps-ipeos.com/>

------------------------------ *De: *"Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> *À: *"Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> *Cc: *"Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" < ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Envoyé: *Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 *Objet: *[At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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I don't understand. We have a technology task force (TTF). Can't they establish/review the user requirements and make an informed recommendation? Regards Lance On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 10:38 AM Adrian Schmidt-ICANN via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

I fully support the use of Telegram - the only issue is some countries have banned telegram because of different reasons. How do we start testing one of those platforms? Should this be done by the RALOs or we need the "official blessing" by ICANN first? Thanks Adrian

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:28 AM Sergio Salinas Porto via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hello everyone! I agree 100% with Betty. I've been using Libre software for over 20 years. As we know, Team will no longer support Linux in 2022, so I don't see it as a viable option that includes us all. I think the path leads us to using Telegram (a portable communication software that interacts across multiple platforms: iOS, Android, and the Web). Like Betty, I think we need to be pragmatic and inclusive, considering all the operating systems we use. A big hug to everyone.

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El mié, 2 abr 2025 a las 22:03, Betty Fausta - IPEOS via At-Large (< at-large@icann.org>) escribió:

...

HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries.

hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise

-- *Betty FAUSTA* <https://www.dpo-connect.com> <https://docmail.apps-ipeos.com/>

------------------------------ *De: *"Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> *À: *"Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> *Cc: *"Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Envoyé: *Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 *Objet: *[At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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Hello All, If the ALAC chair gives the go ahead, I can help to reconvene the TTF for the TTF to make an informed recommendation. Dev Anand On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 at 11:08 AM, Judith Hellerstein via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

HI All,

Yes The TTF can make an informed recommendation. We could set up a WhatsApp group or Signal, but some people do not want to give their phone numbers. I personally think One of these would be OK. What I do not know is if Staff would be allowed to use it. My guess is yes as Staff are already using WhatsApp, but if we could get some guidance from Staff that would be best.

@DevAnand? Do you have the time to set this up and review all the suggested solutions? I know I do not. If we are looking at a back-channel that we do not have to seek approval of ICANN IT, then I think it most likely will be something that many of our staff already use and that is not an extra piece of software that needs to be downloaded. In that sense, WhatsApp probably works best.

But I will wait to hear from Dev Anand

Best,

Judith

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On 4/7/25 10:56 AM, Lance Hinds via At-Large wrote:

I don't understand. We have a technology task force (TTF). Can't they establish/review the user requirements and make an informed recommendation?

Regards

Lance

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 10:38 AM Adrian Schmidt-ICANN via ttf < ttf@icann.org> wrote:

...

I fully support the use of Telegram - the only issue is some countries have banned telegram because of different reasons. How do we start testing one of those platforms? Should this be done by the RALOs or we need the "official blessing" by ICANN first? Thanks Adrian

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:28 AM Sergio Salinas Porto via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hello everyone! I agree 100% with Betty. I've been using Libre software for over 20 years. As we know, Team will no longer support Linux in 2022, so I don't see it as a viable option that includes us all. I think the path leads us to using Telegram (a portable communication software that interacts across multiple platforms: iOS, Android, and the Web). Like Betty, I think we need to be pragmatic and inclusive, considering all the operating systems we use. A big hug to everyone.

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* conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*

El mié, 2 abr 2025 a las 22:03, Betty Fausta - IPEOS via At-Large (< at-large@icann.org>) escribió:

...

HI everyone, My POV Teams is not a good option for south countries, individuals and small organisations. Not all navigator working properly and fees to join with all functionalities can be a barrier. Discord is for technical/game/student community and we already use plenty tools to collaborate. We can be overwhelming very Quickly. Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Telegram is fair and popular for internet ecosystem can be an option like Whatsapp is an excellent and usual one accept by many of us. Zoom can be the referential tools for meeting because after all it's in place and accept non licensed contributors without fees. So, let's be pragmatical and use whats is working and popular for a majority of countries.

hope we find a way, the good one ;) ou la moins mauvaise

-- *Betty FAUSTA*

------------------------------ *De: *"Judith Hellerstein via At-Large" <at-large@icann.org> *À: *"Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> *Cc: *"Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Envoyé: *Mercredi 2 Avril 2025 14:44:49 *Objet: *[At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

HI All, The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

best, Judith Sent from my iPad judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:JudithHellerstein

On Apr 2, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I won't comment further because this is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss relative merits of alternatives. IIRC this kind of comparative evaluation was the main reason that the Technology Tack Force was created. I suggest that it be asked for recommendations.

(I'm not on the TTF and my CC's to it are bouncing. But I'm sure the message can be conveyed. And if I can be of help, just ask.)

- Evan

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I have been watching this discussion and I would like to offer a suggestion. The public component in ICANN has long seemed to be somewhat (perhaps more than merely "somewhat") dependent upon the largess, staff, and process of ICANN. That dependency may affect (perhaps in subtle ways) the independence of the public sector within ICANN. Might I suggest that in any decisions that are made about mechanism for discussion and technical support that the question be clearly asked (and answered) "Does this choice increase or reduce our dependence upon ICANN (or ISOC or any other body)? This independence probably will not come for free - there will probably be costs in terms of money and time for acquisition, operation, and management.  That suggests that there may be a need to develop some form of funding and staffing (perhaps part time) that is not under any outside control.  That may be be a big step, but after listening to the public voice in ICANN and internet affairs for more than 25 years, it seems that these kinds of changes may increase the strength of that voice within internet affairs.     --karl--

Roberto, all good, sensible points. I'll add to the mix: several At Large members are business owners in the IT space, offering consulting services. Yet none has come out with an offer of manpower to do the job of analyzing requirements and platforms for the successor of Skype. I find this appalling (but not surprising, sadly.) What does this tell you about the future of a model like you are describing here? Would calling interests like that free riders be unfair? Their SoI would certainly have to let know, if they are honest, of such conflicting interests and suggest that they may make a contribution given that no matter how indirectly, they will be making a profit. Yours, Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 5:24 PM Roberto Gaetano via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

Dear all,

I have waited to reply to this message because I believe that the matter is complex and I wanted to avoid to hit the send key before careful thinking.

My first reaction, to set the scene straight, is that Karl is absolutely right. Let me make an example for my position on the matter.

I have been instrumental in putting together the EURALO Individual Members association. This has been the only way - at least several years ago, when we started this project - to allow individual users to be associated and active in EURALO (and probably in At-Large).

To make an association, even if lightweight (thanks to Wolf Ludwig for having indicated the best solution for this), has a cost. The current rules do not allow ICANN to support the EURALO Individual Membership other than with a minimal - but highly welcome - administrative support. All other costs are carried by voluntary contributions - not in cash but in kind, because otherwise we would need formal accounting, audit trails, and overhead costs that would outnumber the actual expenses. To have “fees” for joining is not an option, because of the current internal At-Large rules.

the obvious limits of the current arrangement is that there is no guarantee that the volounteers providing the funding will do this forever. And, besides, there is an issue of transparency. For instance, I am a member of the Association, and it happens that I am also the owner of the domain name https://individualusers.org/. As such I pay the yearly registration fees. I am more than happy to do this forever, but does this make sense for the stability of this organization? In my SoI should I indicate that if I miss a deadline for the domain name renewal our web site could be taken by somebody else? And I am mentioning this case as a detail, because there are other costs that are being taken by other volounteer contribution, also in kind, without any prejudice to our operations.

However, other constituencies and stakeholder groups have some sort of “membership fees” or similar. To have some sort of funding solution for At-Large would not be conflicting with the ICANN rules. The question is how to organise this funding and what would be the constraints to this.

I have my own opinions. I believe that it could be done with safeguards - like full disclosure (SoI), approval by an At-Large Committee, whatever else you can see fit - but it will also create a bureaucratic overhead. So my questions are:

- are we willing to create an administrative overhead to manage the financial needs of At-Large? - will At-Large members (ALSes and Individual Members) be willing to provide funds for At-Large? - If “YES” to the above, will the fund be voluntary or compulsory (a “Membership fee”)?

I am really curious about what the different opinions are on the matter, please provide your own comments.

Cheers, Roberto

On 07.04.2025, at 23:29, Karl Auerbach via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I have been watching this discussion and I would like to offer a suggestion.

The public component in ICANN has long seemed to be somewhat (perhaps more than merely "somewhat") dependent upon the largess, staff, and process of ICANN.

That dependency may affect (perhaps in subtle ways) the independence of the public sector within ICANN.

Might I suggest that in any decisions that are made about mechanism for discussion and technical support that the question be clearly asked (and answered) "Does this choice increase or reduce our dependence upon ICANN (or ISOC or any other body)?

This independence probably will not come for free - there will probably be costs in terms of money and time for acquisition, operation, and management. That suggests that there may be a need to develop some form of funding and staffing (perhaps part time) that is not under any outside control. That may be be a big step, but after listening to the public voice in ICANN and internet affairs for more than 25 years, it seems that these kinds of changes may increase the strength of that voice within internet affairs.

--karl--

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Hi Evan, I tried joining your Discord server at *https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM* <https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM> and I got "invalid invite". Joly On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:27 AM Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 3:43 PM Alejandro Pisanty via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

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all good, sensible points. I'll add to the mix: several At Large members are business owners in the IT space, offering consulting services. Yet none has come out with an offer of manpower to do the job of analyzing requirements and platforms for the successor of Skype. I find this appalling (but not surprising, sadly.)

None?

Not only have I offered my services, I have actually spent time assisting an evaluation by creating an At-Large Discord server which a number of people here have visited. In the absence of action from the Technology Taskforce, I believe that some of my posts on the issue have offered reasonable and unbiased attempts at comparative evaluation (given that I regularly use almost all of the options myself).

I consider Karl's proposal well-intentioned and well-reasoned but futile. Inertia is mighty here; current and potential participants are loath to risk reductions in ICANN's funding should they seek independent sources. I would suggest that the freedom to choose their own spending priorities without ICANN guardrails -- along with the attached responsibilities and duties of care -- is a frightening prospect to many here. And given that I already believe that ALAC spends way too much human capital on process compared to policy, I further suggest that adding the extra bureaucracy needed to pursue and manage independent funding offers yet more opportunity for distraction from the core bylaw mandate.

More likely to succeed, but not by much, would be for ALAC to advocate for more control over the ICANN budget allocated to it. Give it targets and standards, and let it determine itself how much to spend on support staff or projects. This could be a significant improvement over the status quo without requiring creation of an external body, yet I suspect that even this entails an unacceptable risk to those too comfortable with the current living arrangements.

More than once during my own time in ALAC leadership I toyed with the notion that we could supplement project funding -- from foundations and philanthropists and crowdfunding and maybe even registries, but never memberships. That notion never became strong enough to voice, for the reasons above. - Evan

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is there a statement of requirements or bid? C Alejandro Pisanty via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> writes:

Roberto,

all good, sensible points. I'll add to the mix: several At Large members are business owners in the IT space, offering consulting services. Yet none has come out with an offer of manpower to do the job of analyzing requirements and platforms for the successor of Skype. I find this appalling (but not surprising, sadly.)

What does this tell you about the future of a model like you are describing here? Would calling interests like that free riders be unfair? Their SoI would certainly have to let know, if they are honest, of such conflicting interests and suggest that they may make a contribution given that no matter how indirectly, they will be making a profit.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 5:24 PM Roberto Gaetano via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

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Dear all,

I have waited to reply to this message because I believe that the matter is complex and I wanted to avoid to hit the send key before careful thinking.

My first reaction, to set the scene straight, is that Karl is absolutely right. Let me make an example for my position on the matter.

I have been instrumental in putting together the EURALO Individual Members association. This has been the only way - at least several years ago, when we started this project - to allow individual users to be associated and active in EURALO (and probably in At-Large).

To make an association, even if lightweight (thanks to Wolf Ludwig for having indicated the best solution for this), has a cost. The current rules do not allow ICANN to support the EURALO Individual Membership other than with a minimal - but highly welcome - administrative support. All other costs are carried by voluntary contributions - not in cash but in kind, because otherwise we would need formal accounting, audit trails, and overhead costs that would outnumber the actual expenses. To have “fees” for joining is not an option, because of the current internal At-Large rules.

the obvious limits of the current arrangement is that there is no guarantee that the volounteers providing the funding will do this forever. And, besides, there is an issue of transparency. For instance, I am a member of the Association, and it happens that I am also the owner of the domain name https://individualusers.org/. As such I pay the yearly registration fees. I am more than happy to do this forever, but does this make sense for the stability of this organization? In my SoI should I indicate that if I miss a deadline for the domain name renewal our web site could be taken by somebody else? And I am mentioning this case as a detail, because there are other costs that are being taken by other volounteer contribution, also in kind, without any prejudice to our operations.

However, other constituencies and stakeholder groups have some sort of “membership fees” or similar. To have some sort of funding solution for At-Large would not be conflicting with the ICANN rules. The question is how to organise this funding and what would be the constraints to this.

I have my own opinions. I believe that it could be done with safeguards - like full disclosure (SoI), approval by an At-Large Committee, whatever else you can see fit - but it will also create a bureaucratic overhead. So my questions are:

- are we willing to create an administrative overhead to manage the financial needs of At-Large? - will At-Large members (ALSes and Individual Members) be willing to provide funds for At-Large? - If “YES” to the above, will the fund be voluntary or compulsory (a “Membership fee”)?

I am really curious about what the different opinions are on the matter, please provide your own comments.

Cheers, Roberto

On 07.04.2025, at 23:29, Karl Auerbach via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

I have been watching this discussion and I would like to offer a suggestion.

The public component in ICANN has long seemed to be somewhat (perhaps more than merely "somewhat") dependent upon the largess, staff, and process of ICANN.

That dependency may affect (perhaps in subtle ways) the independence of the public sector within ICANN.

Might I suggest that in any decisions that are made about mechanism for discussion and technical support that the question be clearly asked (and answered) "Does this choice increase or reduce our dependence upon ICANN (or ISOC or any other body)?

This independence probably will not come for free - there will probably be costs in terms of money and time for acquisition, operation, and management. That suggests that there may be a need to develop some form of funding and staffing (perhaps part time) that is not under any outside control. That may be be a big step, but after listening to the public voice in ICANN and internet affairs for more than 25 years, it seems that these kinds of changes may increase the strength of that voice within internet affairs.

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Hi Evan I'm an active user of signal and really appreciate this messenger can fully respect our data privacy. I just warned about the fact that maiN SIGNAL users are in Northern America and Europe, that a fact [ https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/signal-users-by-country | https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/signal-users-by-country ] I confirm that Telegram is an open source messenger ( [ https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop | https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop ] ) and for python dev or many apps or content creator, we can use many API to connect tools, monitoring and manage large scale group. yes we need to discuss more security or large adoption of a common tool. Maybe ICANN community can create a tread with Signal, Olvid and Discord. We can probably do it. Just share my POV. I use many because i'm a cross community member. It's like this when you live in a small Caribbean islands and you mobilise to create a better internet for tomorrow. Like many suggested, the idea of a task force group can be explored. See you -- Betty FAUSTA— De: "Evan Leibovitch" <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> À: "BF" <bf@ipeos.com> Cc: "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com>, "Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <Hadia@tra.gov.eg>, "Jonathan Zuck" <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>, "Technology Taskforce WG" <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 7 Avril 2025 18:35:43 Objet: Re: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [External] Re: Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Hi Betty, On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 9:03 PM Betty Fausta - IPEOS < [ mailto:bf@ipeos.com | bf@ipeos.com ] > wrote: Signal is a good social media for privacy but the users community is to small to act for multi-stakeholders interests. Please elaborate. I am using Signal in many, many different contexts and I do not understand your objection. How does chat software "act for multi-stakeholder interests"? Telegram is fine too but it's less secure and not open source. To me it boils down to security and open source (Signal) versus global accessibility (Whatsapp). - Evan

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 2:45 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

The TTF would happily review these technologies but until we know if ICANN staff would be able to use it, we see no sense in reviewing them. When we did our extensive trial of Loomio we found out that if ICANN is not approving it, than At Large staff are not allowed to use it. Thus I see no sense in reviewing discord or other technology unless ICANN Org allows staff to participate in our trial.

When we (meaning I) originally created the At-Large Skype conversations, no permission was either granted or requested from ICANN. I am not even aware of any other ICANN constituency that uses Skype, though over the years others may have followed our example. Clearly ICANN has no official solution or it would have been implemented by now and moved everyone over as happened with Confluence. Maybe ICANN staff have internal tools like Slack but that has never been offered to its volunteer communities. But that's perfectly OK. Creating an ALAC shared space is trivial to do. If a consensus of people simply goes there and starts chatting, then that's it. No permission, no approval. *Just watch. Here is an ALAC Discord server, complete with voice capabilities and subgroups for every RALO and a few committees, ready to use IMMEDIATELY. Feel free to try it right now:* *https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM* <https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM> The only next step necessary is for people to start using it. No cost ever to users or to the Discord server administrators. And if the consensus is that people here don't want to use it? Fine, while unpopulated it's as easy to dissolve as it was to make. Signal, WhatsApp, and Telegram all await as alternatives. The TTF was formed as an ALAC committee, not an ICANN one. Any restraints it imposes on itself to require ICANN blessings are of its own, voluntary, absolutely unnecessary, design. - Evan

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 11:01 AM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

Hi Evan, Yes what you are saying may be true, but if our staff cannot use the tools we plan on using than it creates more problems for the volunteers.

Such as...? Be specific. I would remind that the original Skype groups ran without ICANN staff present for years. Eventually they came and I handed over admin to them but the chat was not affected in the least. ICANN staff will (eventually) go where we are, if only to keep an eye on us. Their participation is welcome but not required. Communities around the world are able to self-manage and self-police their chat groups. - Evan

Good morning from humid Maryland (afternoon/evening for the rest of the world) What if - for the time being, and while we discuss for a couple of years the perfect tool, we use Google Chat? Simple, clean, and in a way already sanctioned by ICANN? (they use Google apps already) [image: image.png] Yes I know you need to have a google identity, but who doesn't these days? You do not need gmail on that account https://chat.google.com/ Have a great weekend ahead Adrian On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 7:17 AM Lutz Donnerhacke via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

Thanx for the discord.

That’s the the only useful step forward in this discussion unless the remit of TTF is cleared.

*Von:* Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@icann.org>

[…]

But that's perfectly OK. Creating an ALAC shared space is trivial to do. If a consensus of people simply goes there and starts chatting, then that's it. No permission, no approval.

*Just watch. Here is an ALAC Discord server, complete with voice capabilities and subgroups for every RALO and a few committees, ready to use IMMEDIATELY. Feel free to try it right now:* *https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM* <https://discord.gg/94Q2wFFM>

The only next step necessary is for people to start using it. No cost ever to users or to the Discord server administrators.

And if the consensus is that people here don't want to use it? Fine, while unpopulated it's as easy to dissolve as it was to make. Signal, WhatsApp, and Telegram all await as alternatives.

The TTF was formed as an ALAC committee, not an ICANN one. Any restraints it imposes on itself to require ICANN blessings are of its own, voluntary, absolutely unnecessary, design.

- Evan

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Joanna, you have made the point - MS Teams works fine if you have a good ICT and a full license. Otherwise, it is challenging. Erich SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Professor (§ 122 UG 2002) UNIVIENNA; Principal Administrator (ret.), European Commission, Dr. Dr. Legal Informatics at Vienna University Board Chair: ARI Arbeitsgruppe Rechtsinformatik, Juridicum, Universität Wien Main Conference Chair: International Legal Informatics Symposium IRI§ - iris-conferences.eu President: Vienna Centre for Legal Informatics WZRI and Director of its sub-organisations: rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY, LII-Austria.org, CEILI.eu, ICANN-ALS.wzri.eu and neuerechtsschule.org (work in progress) Department for European, International and Comparative Law & Section for International Law, Schottenbastei 10-16/2/5, room 546, 1010 Wien AT, Tel. +43 1 4277 35305 rechtsinformatik.univie.ac.at iris-conferences.eu wzri.eu rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY neuerechtsschule.org deicl.univie.ac.at Erich.Schweighofer@univie.ac.at; Erich.Schweighofer@wzri.eu; erichs@rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY; office@iris-conferences.eu Bitte um Beiträge / Call for Papers: IRI§26 Internationales Rechtsinformatik Symposion, 18.-21. Feburar 2026, Salzburg / or Wien (?), iris-conferences.eu ________________________________________ Von: Joanna Kulesza via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2025 10:33:45 An: Jonathan Zuck Cc: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi; Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Betreff: [At-Large] Re: [External] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Hi Jonathan and all, Just wanted to chime in as a long-time Teams user with a full license provided by my employer. I find Teams to be reliable, versatile, and overall quite solid — but, as others have pointed out, it can be invasive and require a lot of data to ensure a solid connection. In my experience, connectivity through WhatsApp (or Skype) has often been more efficient. While Teams works perfectly on my end, I’ve hosted open online events for the ICANN community (including the INFERMAL LCH Master Class that some of the colleagues on this list joined) using the platform and received feedback about login issues. These seem to come down to three things: - You usually need an account to join; - Some institutions (ICANN .org included) block account creation or access depending on the device used (our volunteers might be suing their work devices to wish to join the conversations, so this might be an issue; - There are known interoperability issues, especially for non-Windows (Mac) users. So while I personally have no issues with Teams, I have seen that it’s not a one-size-fits-all solution for our community. As of 2025, my vote would go to Signal as a Skype alternative. On that note — will there be a vote? Or perhaps a dedicated meeting to decide? This has been a really interesting thread — I’ve learned a lot and would love to keep the conversation going. Thanks all, Joanna śr., 2 kwi 2025 o 18:28 Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> napisał(a):

Do we have anyone on this group who regularly uses Teams? They have a community feature that might be useful but it's new to me.

-----Original Message----- From: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 9:26 AM To: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [External] [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

+1 Jonathan , volunteers should not have to pay license fee, Slack could also be a good option, many companies use it for doing business.

Hadia

________________________________ From: Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Sent: 02 April 2025 18:08 To: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com Cc: Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

Absolutely true. I don’t think there’s a world in which volunteers should have to pay a license fee. Jonathan

From: Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 1:56 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Natálie Terčová <natalie.tercova@gmail.com>; Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>; Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

One item to consider is cost. Are volunteers willing to pay an annual fee if a licensed tool is used? Will ICANN.org acquire an application with the secure, accessible, and diverse features we want in a community tool?

It has been indicated that IT staff are exploring a solution to replace Skype? The chosen tool must meet our needs and make conversations more efficient and trackable.

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On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 5:00 PM Jonathan Zuck via ttf <ttf@icann.org<mailto:ttf@icann.org>> wrote: I continue to be a fan of Loomio<https://www.loomio.com/> rather than SLACK but I’m not sure either is really a replacement for Skype. That’s more WhatsApp or something like Viber<https://www.viber.com/>.

From: Natálie Terčová via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 11:43 AM To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams

Dear all,

Adding to this discussion, I have a good experience with Discord, as there can be many sub-servers and rooms for various WGs, RALOs,... visible for only those for whom they are relevant. It may be a good option to consider, as it is free and it would finally solve the issue of fragmented conversations across mailing lists/ skype/ whatsapp etc. There, all discussions can be happening on one, big server. Just food for thoughts, @staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. In two big orgs I cooperate with, we eventually switched to Discord, and all has been great ever since.

Have a nice weekend. NT

pá 28. 2. 2025 v 15:21 odesílatel Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napsal: So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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I use Microsoft Teams, it is a very good tool. You can also co-edit documents directly in Teams. Hadia ________________________________ From: Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Sent: 02 April 2025 19:21 To: Jonathan Zuck Cc: Technology Taskforce WG; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [External] [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 12:09?PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: I don't think there's a world in which volunteers should have to pay a license fee. You're absolutely right. Given that ICANN depends on volunteer communities throughout the organization, it would strike me as obvious that the org would cover the cost of whatever tools would be necessary to enable these communities to properly engage. Making communications pay-to-play defeats the core claimed benefits of multistakeholderism. Being a nonprofit ICANN has access to substantial discounts on conferencing tools including Microsoft Teams, Google Meet and Zoom. I personally don't care which. Why such procurement is even an issue of any controversy or delay boggles the mind. - Evan

Actually it *is* about the technology, regarding both capabilities and price. The problem with Discord is its maximum video call limit of 25 people. Using Nitro can improve the call quality but does not increase the limit. Teams, Meet and Zoom all have substantially higher limits. Google Meet's free service allows 100, Microsoft's paid plans go to 300, and that's for full interactivity. In the case of webinars all three systems can handle thousands of view-only participants; I suppose Twitch might be usable here but uit's a stretch. Then there are other desirable features such as recording, transcription and realtime transcription translation that would be useful in an ICANN context but not available the same way on all platforms. Slack works well, but its per-participant licensing cost would be prohibitive to an org like ICANN. IIRC the comparison of communications system has been a main function of the technology task force. Perhaps someone from there can weigh in. - Evan On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 1:36 PM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All I use Discord for two groups I belong too and we have good sub-group threads and we conduct Live Chats as well. Lots of experience with Loomio and Slack . Its not about the technology but rather about people using the tool for the purpose it's set out for. I have not been a fan of Skype with the lack of threads and other reasons.

Around this region and among several members inside the community even business are using free of charge app as WhatsApp. Apply a layer of security is also possible to better performance. But Evan response is also clear, no reason to improve cost inside ICANN sine .org is stating it is struggling with reduced resources even less reason to ask community member to pay a share. Best Vanda From: Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, 2 April 2025 at 13:09 To: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com <calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] Re: [technology taskforce] Re: Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Absolutely true. I don’t think there’s a world in which volunteers should have to pay a license fee. Jonathan From: Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 1:56 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Natálie Terčová <natalie.tercova@gmail.com>; Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>; Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [technology taskforce] Re: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams One item to consider is cost. Are volunteers willing to pay an annual fee if a licensed tool is used? Will ICANN.org acquire an application with the secure, accessible, and diverse features we want in a community tool? It has been indicated that IT staff are exploring a solution to replace Skype? The chosen tool must meet our needs and make conversations more efficient and trackable. [Image removed by sender. photo] [Image removed by sender. photo] Alfredo Calderon eLearning Consultant aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com<https://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com> calderon.alfredo@gmail.com<mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> | wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon<http://wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon> | Alfredo_1212 | Virtual School on Internet Governance | https://virtualsig.org [Image removed by sender. facebook]<https://facebook.com/calderon.alfredo> [Image removed by sender. linkedin]<https://pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52> [Image removed by sender. twitter]<https://twitter.com/acalderon52> [Image removed by sender. pinterest]<http://www.pinterest.com/acalderon/> [Image removed by sender. slideshare]<http://www.slideshare.net/acalderon> [Image removed by sender. twitter]<https://twitter.com/virtualschoolIG> [Image removed by sender. wiseintro]<https://wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon> IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Create your own email signature<https://www.wisestamp.com/lp/promo/professional-email-signature?utm_source=p...> [Image removed by sender. __tpx__] On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 5:00 PM Jonathan Zuck via ttf <ttf@icann.org<mailto:ttf@icann.org>> wrote: I continue to be a fan of Loomio<https://www.loomio.com/> rather than SLACK but I’m not sure either is really a replacement for Skype. That’s more WhatsApp or something like Viber<https://www.viber.com/>. From: Natálie Terčová via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 11:43 AM To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Cc: Technology Taskforce WG <ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] Re: TheVerge : Microsoft is shutting down Skype in favor of Teams Dear all, Adding to this discussion, I have a good experience with Discord, as there can be many sub-servers and rooms for various WGs, RALOs,... visible for only those for whom they are relevant. It may be a good option to consider, as it is free and it would finally solve the issue of fragmented conversations across mailing lists/ skype/ whatsapp etc. There, all discussions can be happening on one, big server. Just food for thoughts, @staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. In two big orgs I cooperate with, we eventually switched to Discord, and all has been great ever since. Have a nice weekend. NT pá 28. 2. 2025 v 15:21 odesílatel Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napsal: So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ? Dev Anand Teelucksingh "It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers." https://www.theverge.com/news/621353/microsoft-skype-shutting-down-retiremen... _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org<mailto:at-large-leave@icann.org> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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I have some money in Skype, how to get it back? Kuo Wu Lance Hinds via At-Large <at-large@icann.org>於 2025年3月3日 週一，16:09寫道：

Doubt whether Microsoft would sell it.

Regards

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 3:49 AM cw--- via ttf <ttf@icann.org> wrote:

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Is anybody thinking about buying Skype and maintaining it?

CW

On 28 Feb 2025, at 15:20, Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

So, do we switch to Teams (and will it work for the At-Large Community?) Or another group chat solution ?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh

"It’s the end of an era. Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May and replacing it with the free version of Microsoft Teams for consumers. Existing Skype users will be able to log in to the Microsoft Teams app and have their message history, group chats, and contacts all automatically available without having to create another account, or they can choose to export their data instead. Microsoft is also phasing out support for calling domestic or international numbers."

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