Anyone has looked at what is happening with the domain wikileaks.org? See Spamhaus.org warning message. Could be the base of some policies between registry registrar and registrant once it is understood what is really happening. Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org. wikileaks.info is a knock off. A reverse lookup on the IP address 92.241.190.202 is quite horrifying i.t.o. whois issues on domains found. Many of the domain names are in turn used for anything from knockoff watches to drug sites to carding sites. Most are registered with unaccountable private registrations, some where even the privacy provider in turn uses a privacy provider. While AnonOps was blamed initially, then semi absolved, they are not out of the clear. Central to this is Enom reseller Heihachi (who lived in a tree in NZ) :) Quite an interesting article on some issues: http://heihachi-worms.blogspot.com/2010/12/hehachi-anonops-wikileaks-and-spa... On 2010/12/19 19:11, Franck Martin wrote:
Anyone has looked at what is happening with the domain wikileaks.org?
See Spamhaus.org warning message.
Could be the base of some policies between registry registrar and registrant once it is understood what is really happening.
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At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info. The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point. R's, John
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying. Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging. Derek On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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There are certainly some troubling political developments surrounding the official Wikileaks web presence, not the least of which are the denial of commercial service by some organisations in the ecommerce ecosystem...and the responding DOS attacks on their web interests by alleged Wikileaks supporters. Goes to show the usual suspects don't have an exclusive on dissuasion techniques. So the next time I hear the sanctimonious bleat against...take your pick....action of the Chinese, Iranians, Cubans et. al., I'm likely to respond with a yawn. Common hypocrites. Whaddya know, it turns out the old nomenklatura, somewhat reconfigured to purpose, is alive and well....and flourishing! ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003@hotmail.com>wrote:
Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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Hi, DDOS usually refers to a technique whereby zombie computer services are stolen in the service of a crime. As far as I understand this is not the techniques being used in this peaceful protest against those who have denied wikileaks service. As the article by Richard Stallman indicates calling this action DDOS is a misnomer and that it really needs to be understood as public protest in a digital age. While it is true that the notion of digital protest is still new, it nothing fraudulent is being done and no services are being stolen, then tarring this with the name DDOS attack may be extreme and prejudicial. http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protes... As the new realities of wikleaks, government and business reaction against wikileaks, and protest against the reaction occur we should attempt to understand the full dynamics of what is going on. To those of use who believe in the necessity of maximum transparency, except when it involves the privacy of natural persons, the necessity of viable and effective protest seems important. Is this the best way to pretest? I don't yet know, but we cannot move toward understanding it, if we lump it in with criminal behavior before we even examine the full phenomenon. a. On 20 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Carlton Samuels wrote:
There are certainly some troubling political developments surrounding the official Wikileaks web presence, not the least of which are the denial of commercial service by some organisations in the ecommerce ecosystem...and the responding DOS attacks on their web interests by alleged Wikileaks supporters.
Goes to show the usual suspects don't have an exclusive on dissuasion techniques. So the next time I hear the sanctimonious bleat against...take your pick....action of the Chinese, Iranians, Cubans et. al., I'm likely to respond with a yawn. Common hypocrites.
Whaddya know, it turns out the old nomenklatura, somewhat reconfigured to purpose, is alive and well....and flourishing!
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003@hotmail.com>wrote:
Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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1. spamhaus has not denied wikileaks service, they have blocked, since 2008, the IP upon which wikileaks.ifo sits, and recently sprang up upon. 2. there is nothing peaceful about a DDoS, be it distributed and human, or distributed and automated. What clearly *is* distributed is a giant helping of stupid, to those who cannot parse what Spamhaus are saying, and DDoSing them. The criminals who run that patch of internet have been spreading disinformation, and gullible do-gooders, in the rampant desire to somehow help Wikileaks, have moved to DDoSing Spamhaus. The DDoSers have been manipulated into DoSing on behalf of criminals. Fan-tastic! On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
DDOS usually refers to a technique whereby zombie computer services are stolen in the service of a crime. As far as I understand this is not the techniques being used in this peaceful protest against those who have denied wikileaks service.
As the article by Richard Stallman indicates calling this action DDOS is a misnomer and that it really needs to be understood as public protest in a digital age. While it is true that the notion of digital protest is still new, it nothing fraudulent is being done and no services are being stolen, then tarring this with the name DDOS attack may be extreme and prejudicial.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protes...
As the new realities of wikleaks, government and business reaction against wikileaks, and protest against the reaction occur we should attempt to understand the full dynamics of what is going on. To those of use who believe in the necessity of maximum transparency, except when it involves the privacy of natural persons, the necessity of viable and effective protest seems important. Is this the best way to pretest? I don't yet know, but we cannot move toward understanding it, if we lump it in with criminal behavior before we even examine the full phenomenon.
a.
On 20 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Carlton Samuels wrote:
There are certainly some troubling political developments surrounding the official Wikileaks web presence, not the least of which are the denial of commercial service by some organisations in the ecommerce ecosystem...and the responding DOS attacks on their web interests by alleged Wikileaks supporters.
Goes to show the usual suspects don't have an exclusive on dissuasion techniques. So the next time I hear the sanctimonious bleat against...take your pick....action of the Chinese, Iranians, Cubans et. al., I'm likely to respond with a yawn. Common hypocrites.
Whaddya know, it turns out the old nomenklatura, somewhat reconfigured to purpose, is alive and well....and flourishing!
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003@hotmail.com>wrote:
Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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+1 On 2010/12/20 23:15, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
1. spamhaus has not denied wikileaks service, they have blocked, since 2008, the IP upon which wikileaks.ifo sits, and recently sprang up upon.
2. there is nothing peaceful about a DDoS, be it distributed and human, or distributed and automated.
What clearly *is* distributed is a giant helping of stupid, to those who cannot parse what Spamhaus are saying, and DDoSing them. The criminals who run that patch of internet have been spreading disinformation, and gullible do-gooders, in the rampant desire to somehow help Wikileaks, have moved to DDoSing Spamhaus. The DDoSers have been manipulated into DoSing on behalf of criminals. Fan-tastic!
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Avri Doria<avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
DDOS usually refers to a technique whereby zombie computer services are stolen in the service of a crime. As far as I understand this is not the techniques being used in this peaceful protest against those who have denied wikileaks service.
As the article by Richard Stallman indicates calling this action DDOS is a misnomer and that it really needs to be understood as public protest in a digital age. While it is true that the notion of digital protest is still new, it nothing fraudulent is being done and no services are being stolen, then tarring this with the name DDOS attack may be extreme and prejudicial.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protes...
As the new realities of wikleaks, government and business reaction against wikileaks, and protest against the reaction occur we should attempt to understand the full dynamics of what is going on. To those of use who believe in the necessity of maximum transparency, except when it involves the privacy of natural persons, the necessity of viable and effective protest seems important. Is this the best way to pretest? I don't yet know, but we cannot move toward understanding it, if we lump it in with criminal behavior before we even examine the full phenomenon.
a.
On 20 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Carlton Samuels wrote:
There are certainly some troubling political developments surrounding the official Wikileaks web presence, not the least of which are the denial of commercial service by some organisations in the ecommerce ecosystem...and the responding DOS attacks on their web interests by alleged Wikileaks supporters.
Goes to show the usual suspects don't have an exclusive on dissuasion techniques. So the next time I hear the sanctimonious bleat against...take your pick....action of the Chinese, Iranians, Cubans et. al., I'm likely to respond with a yawn. Common hypocrites.
Whaddya know, it turns out the old nomenklatura, somewhat reconfigured to purpose, is alive and well....and flourishing!
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Yassin Mshana<ymshana2003@hotmail.com>wrote:
Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
> At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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+0.5 but we are getting away from the topic of this mailing list, which is what has happened and is happening to the domain wikileaks.org? How did it ended up redirecting to known criminal groups websites? Can ICANN (community) shed a light? Are we missing some tools/information? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Smythe" <derek@aa419.org> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Monday, 20 December, 2010 2:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org +1 On 2010/12/20 23:15, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
1. spamhaus has not denied wikileaks service, they have blocked, since 2008, the IP upon which wikileaks.ifo sits, and recently sprang up upon.
2. there is nothing peaceful about a DDoS, be it distributed and human, or distributed and automated.
What clearly *is* distributed is a giant helping of stupid, to those who cannot parse what Spamhaus are saying, and DDoSing them. The criminals who run that patch of internet have been spreading disinformation, and gullible do-gooders, in the rampant desire to somehow help Wikileaks, have moved to DDoSing Spamhaus. The DDoSers have been manipulated into DoSing on behalf of criminals. Fan-tastic!
Avri: True, it is very important to get the details..and from several sources. That aside, I may be guilty of repeating errors.....however..... Reports I read from the said [British] Guardian newspaper characterize the attacks on the commercial websites as denial of service attacks. I understood that to mean traffic generated deliberately to overwhelm the websites' normal response mechanisms and to crowd out other users from interacting, not the legal status of the platform from whence the messages were generated/originated. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
DDOS usually refers to a technique whereby zombie computer services are stolen in the service of a crime. As far as I understand this is not the techniques being used in this peaceful protest against those who have denied wikileaks service.
As the article by Richard Stallman indicates calling this action DDOS is a misnomer and that it really needs to be understood as public protest in a digital age. While it is true that the notion of digital protest is still new, it nothing fraudulent is being done and no services are being stolen, then tarring this with the name DDOS attack may be extreme and prejudicial.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/anonymous-wikileaks-protes...
As the new realities of wikleaks, government and business reaction against wikileaks, and protest against the reaction occur we should attempt to understand the full dynamics of what is going on. To those of use who believe in the necessity of maximum transparency, except when it involves the privacy of natural persons, the necessity of viable and effective protest seems important. Is this the best way to pretest? I don't yet know, but we cannot move toward understanding it, if we lump it in with criminal behavior before we even examine the full phenomenon.
a.
On 20 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Carlton Samuels wrote:
There are certainly some troubling political developments surrounding the official Wikileaks web presence, not the least of which are the denial of commercial service by some organisations in the ecommerce ecosystem...and the responding DOS attacks on their web interests by alleged Wikileaks supporters.
Goes to show the usual suspects don't have an exclusive on dissuasion techniques. So the next time I hear the sanctimonious bleat against...take your pick....action of the Chinese, Iranians, Cubans et. al., I'm likely to respond with a yawn. Common hypocrites.
Whaddya know, it turns out the old nomenklatura, somewhat reconfigured to purpose, is alive and well....and flourishing!
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003@hotmail.com wrote:
Well, That is what is happening .... Politics and the Internet can be an explosive compound. They should be kept far apart and separate in mind and perspective. Yassin
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:31:18 +0200 From: derek@aa419.org To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Wikileaks.org
Thank for that John. Apologies Franck, I totally missed what you were saying.
Interesting how the two topics under discussion are merging.
Derek
On 2010/12/19 23:52, John R. Levine wrote:
At issue is wikileaks.info, not wikileaks.org.
The web site at wikileaks.org redirects to the dodgy web site at mirror.wikileaks.info.
The WHOIS at wikileaks.org is a privacy service, and the DNS is at dynadot, a generic DNS provider, so it's anyone's guess who or what is in control of wikileaks.org at this point.
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Anyone has looked at what is happening with the domain wikileaks.org?
See Spamhaus.org warning message.
Could be the base of some policies between registry registrar and registrant once it is understood what is really happening.
Huh? The Spamhaus.org warning message is two parts: (1) that wikileaks.info is not an official site; and (2) that the IP space that wikileaks.info is being hosted on is in a space that has been associated with illegal activities, ie. botnets, illegal spam, malware, etc.
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