Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] [FWD: RE: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation / Discussion on Domain Names Registered Using Private/Proxy Services / 14.12.09 @ 18:00 UTC]
you wrote: "While somehow I find the Whois issue related to ICANN's agreements with the contracted parties providing name registration services, determining that the use of a domain name is illicit or being used for any illicit purpose is way outside the scope and mandate of ICANN." Maybe you should consider sitting in on a meeting of the registration abuse policies working group, which has been going on almost a year. -----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> Sent: Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] [FWD: RE: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation / Discussion on Domain Names Registered Using Private/Proxy Services / 14.12.09 @ 18:00 UTC]
"well established legal due processes and protections."
And in the case of a Russian-mob operated chain of sites that sell vicodin (or a version thereof) all over the world to anyone who will pay, using registrations obtained in the US with false WHOIS data, where exactly is the "well established legal due processes and protections"? No-one's talking about medical marijuana in California. This is about (among other types of drugs), Class IV controlled substances. Note that "The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961, designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in narcotics, coca leaf, cocaine, and cannabis. A second treaty, the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971, which entered into force in 1976, is designed to establish comparable control over stimulants, depressants, and hallucinogens. Congress ratified this treaty in 1980." (http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm)
Why anyone would care to read all this stuff on a ICANN's email list ?
While somehow I find the Whois issue related to ICANN's agreements with the contracted parties providing name registration services, determining that the use of a domain name is illicit or being used for any illicit purpose is way outside the scope and mandate of ICANN.
We should frame the discussion in the appropriate context if there is one.
My .02 Jorge
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Beau, Are you on the RAP WG? Are you all working on a definition of cybersquatting? During the RAA-2 WG (poss RAA amendments) call yesterday, one amendment that we discussed was to prohibit registrars from cybersquatting. The next thing I knew, we were talking about needing to define it, that RAP WG was working on it, but that status was uncertain. K -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Beau Brendler Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:37 PM To: At-Large Worldwide; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] [FWD: RE: [ALAC-Announce]Meeting Invitation / Discussion on Domain Names RegisteredUsing Private/Proxy Services / 14.12.09 @ 18:00 UTC] you wrote: "While somehow I find the Whois issue related to ICANN's agreements with the contracted parties providing name registration services, determining that the use of a domain name is illicit or being used for any illicit purpose is way outside the scope and mandate of ICANN." Maybe you should consider sitting in on a meeting of the registration abuse policies working group, which has been going on almost a year. -----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> Sent: Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] [FWD: RE: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation / Discussion on Domain Names Registered Using Private/Proxy Services / 14.12.09 @ 18:00 UTC]
"well established legal due processes and protections."
And in the case of a Russian-mob operated chain of sites that sell vicodin (or a version thereof) all over the world to anyone who will pay, using registrations obtained in the US with false WHOIS data, where exactly is the "well established legal due processes and protections"? No-one's talking about medical marijuana in California.
This is about (among other types of drugs), Class IV controlled substances. Note that "The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961, designed to establish effective
control over international and domestic traffic in narcotics, coca leaf, cocaine, and cannabis. A second treaty, the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971, which entered into force in 1976, is
designed to establish comparable control over stimulants, depressants, and hallucinogens. Congress ratified this treaty in 1980." (http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm)
Why anyone would care to read all this stuff on a ICANN's email list ?
While somehow I find the Whois issue related to ICANN's agreements with
the contracted parties providing name registration services, determining that the use of a domain name is illicit or being used for any illicit purpose is way outside the scope and mandate of ICANN.
We should frame the discussion in the appropriate context if there is one.
My .02 Jorge
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On 15 Dec 2009, at 17:38, Rosette, Kristina wrote:
Beau,
Are you on the RAP WG? Are you all working on a definition of cybersquatting?
During the RAA-2 WG (poss RAA amendments) call yesterday, one amendment that we discussed was to prohibit registrars from cybersquatting.
You can't prohibit or discuss prohibiting something that is not clearly defined Michele PS: If this is off list, what is "on list" ? :) Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
Nope, it just means that I had planned to write to Beau about something entirely unrelated to ICANN, ended up writing about something ICANN-related, and forgot to change the subject line. Too much multitasking. apologies all. -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Amodio Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:53 PM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] OFF LIST
PS: If this is off list, what is "on list" ? :)
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