Re: [At-Large] [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen
Agree with Pindar, and pls add my name. Thank you and see you there as I will join the WIC. Izumi 2014年11月17日月曜日、Pindar Wong<pindar.wong@gmail.com>さんは書きました:
Noted with understanding James.
Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may easily refer to it.
Cheers,
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I have send out an email with the updated statement in full.
For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement" published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a loaded word right now that may cause confusion.
I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and not get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.
Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it back, I will do so.
We have 48 hours to the event.
-James Seng
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder < anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se');>> wrote:
I agree with Pindar, I would prefer to have the reference more substantial.
Anne-Marie
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----- Reply message ----- Från: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> Till: "James Seng" <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> Kopia: "discuss@1net.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');>" <discuss@1net.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');>>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org');>> Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen Datum: mån, nov 17, 2014 07:41
Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable Internet principles' do you refer to?
Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and clear outcome captured in a public document.
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I intent to modify the statement to:
"We, the undersigned, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable Internet principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."
Would that be okay?
-James Seng
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Thank you Dave.
For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <dave@farber.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dave@farber.net');>> wrote:
Ok I'll sign it On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave. > > May I suggest then to change the text from > > 'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for the > > Chinese Internet.' > > to: > > 'to take the principles of NETmundial.br of April 2014 > <http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-...> > and to build upon them for the > > Chinese Internet.' > > This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative > (NMI). > > As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say > yesterday:- > > > http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initia... > > p. > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <farber@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','farber@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the >> ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to >> distinguished from the current suggestions . >> >> On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" < >> lists@christopherwilkinson.eu >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lists@christopherwilkinson.eu');>> >> wrote: >> >>> James: >>> >>> You may add my name to the list of signatories: >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅 >>> >>> >>> On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear James, >>> >>> Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as >>> follows:- >>> >>> "Specifically, we would like to highlight the following >>> recommendations to: >>> >>> Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and >>> distributed architecture; >>> >>> Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on >>> end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6; >>> >>> Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global >>> technical community; >>> >>> Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet >>> through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;' >>> >>> Also perhaps this friendly amendment:- >>> >>> 'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building >>> upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and >>> accountable *participation*.' >>> >>> m2c, >>> >>> p. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben < >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de');>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the >>>>> “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global >>>>> approach of the statement more clear. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> Wolf-Ulrich >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* James Seng >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:43 AM >>>>> *To:* At-Large Worldwide ; mailto:discuss@1net.org >>>>> *Subject:* [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet >>>>> Conference @ Wuzhen >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to >>>>> present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions to the statements are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> If you are willing to add your name to the statement, please >>>>> drop me an email. >>>>> >>>>> -James Seng >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>> discuss@1net.org >>>>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -James Seng >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> discuss@1net.org >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss@1net.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss@1net.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >
-- -James Seng
-- -James Seng
-- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org
Hello, I suggest "generally accepted" instead of "generally acceptable". Here we are not saying that there is a doubt about some principles and that, in spite of that doubt, we find them "acceptable". On the contrary, we want to make the strong statement that the principles we defend are already "generally accepted", except in single-party countries such as North Korea. With this change, I would ask you to add my name. Thank you. Jean-Jacques Subrenat. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> À: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> Cc: discuss@1net.org, "James Seng" <james.seng@gmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 19:15:19 Objet: Re: [At-Large] [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen Agree with Pindar, and pls add my name. Thank you and see you there as I will join the WIC. Izumi 2014年11月17日月曜日、Pindar Wong<pindar.wong@gmail.com>さんは書きました:
Noted with understanding James.
Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may easily refer to it.
Cheers,
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I have send out an email with the updated statement in full.
For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement" published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a loaded word right now that may cause confusion.
I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and not get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.
Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it back, I will do so.
We have 48 hours to the event.
-James Seng
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder < anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','anne-marie.eklund-lowinder@iis.se');>> wrote:
I agree with Pindar, I would prefer to have the reference more substantial.
Anne-Marie
Skickat från min HTC
----- Reply message ----- Från: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> Till: "James Seng" <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> Kopia: "discuss@1net.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');>" <discuss@1net.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');>>, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org');>> Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen Datum: mån, nov 17, 2014 07:41
Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable Internet principles' do you refer to?
Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process and clear outcome captured in a public document.
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I intent to modify the statement to:
"We, the undersigned, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable Internet principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."
Would that be okay?
-James Seng
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Thank you Dave.
For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially meaningful.
p.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <dave@farber.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dave@farber.net');>> wrote:
Ok I'll sign it On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave. > > May I suggest then to change the text from > > 'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for the > > Chinese Internet.' > > to: > > 'to take the principles of NETmundial.br of April 2014 > <http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-...> > and to build upon them for the > > Chinese Internet.' > > This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial Initiative > (NMI). > > As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say > yesterday:- > > > http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initia... > > p. > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <farber@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','farber@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the >> ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to >> distinguished from the current suggestions . >> >> On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" < >> lists@christopherwilkinson.eu >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lists@christopherwilkinson.eu');>> >> wrote: >> >>> James: >>> >>> You may add my name to the list of signatories: >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅 >>> >>> >>> On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear James, >>> >>> Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as >>> follows:- >>> >>> "Specifically, we would like to highlight the following >>> recommendations to: >>> >>> Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and >>> distributed architecture; >>> >>> Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based on >>> end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6; >>> >>> Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global >>> technical community; >>> >>> Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet >>> through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;' >>> >>> Also perhaps this friendly amendment:- >>> >>> 'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building >>> upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and >>> accountable *participation*.' >>> >>> m2c, >>> >>> p. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <james.seng@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben < >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de');>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to the >>>>> “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would make the global >>>>> approach of the statement more clear. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> Wolf-Ulrich >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* James Seng >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:43 AM >>>>> *To:* At-Large Worldwide ; mailto:discuss@1net.org >>>>> *Subject:* [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet >>>>> Conference @ Wuzhen >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to >>>>> present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions to the statements are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> If you are willing to add your name to the statement, please >>>>> drop me an email. >>>>> >>>>> -James Seng >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>> discuss@1net.org >>>>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -James Seng >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> discuss@1net.org >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss@1net.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss@1net.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@1net.org');> >>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >
-- -James Seng
-- -James Seng
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