Re: Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
Which still doesn’t answer the question asked Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 22:51, Cody Tippie <cody.tippie@outlook.com> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Michele Neylon, Incidence relational to Crowdstrike runs concurrent with examination as to that of Cyberespionage or simply to oligarchic competitioning. Crowdstrike was ranked first by that of the Gartner, seconded to Microsoft and to similar basis of relation to that of Forester Wave Cloud Workload Security Q1 2024. Wheresoin Microsoft has been steadily gaining with regard to that of Platform security technologies therein to the overtaking or ousting of capabilities typically offered by a diveristy of otherwise service providers and competitors; leveraging any such security therein directly integrated or built into such stated Technology providers platform. With any such outages occurring across that of the Security provider Crowdstrike itself; such forces firms to therein migrate to otherwise service providers; or to that of platform hosted services which can offer similar and integrated reliability and services that therein outcompete basis as to that of which smaller firms solutions and security providers provide. Per the WEF Global Risk Report 2024; consolidation of technological power was a merging basis of concern with relation to that of certain strata in or across society. https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/ [https://www.weforum.org/weforum.jpg]<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> Global Risks Report 2024 | World Economic Forum<https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> The Global Risks Report 2024 from the World Economic Forum explores some of the most severe risks we may face over the next decade. Read the report to learn more. www.weforum.org Best Regards, Cody Ryan Tippie ________________________________ From: InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via InternetPolicy <internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> Sent: Friday 19 July 2024 16:44 To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan@unam.mx>; At Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org <InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? Insurance maybe? I doubt that CrowdStrike or anyone else will accept liability Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 21:42, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. <off topic> Any idea on who is going to pay for the damages? Cheers, R. On 19.07.2024, at 22:16, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Yeah Software NOT internet related at all Those of us who don’t use that company’s products weren’t impacted at all Though I am glad I wasn’t flying with Ryanair today! Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal On 19 Jul 2024, at 20:18, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Amazingly it still takes some effort to know what is and what is not an Internet issue. Better read this brief, clear text from ISOC, by Olaf Kolkmann and Dan York: https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates... Alejandro Pisanty [https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/outage-ATM-screen-1.jpg]<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates-need-for-resiliency-in-software-systems/> Global Tech Outage Demonstrates Need for Resiliency in Software Systems - Internet Society<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates...> www.internetsociety.org Today's global outage of many systems was not an Internet outage, but it demonstrates the need for greater resilience in all our technical systems. ________________________________ De: Sivasubramanian M via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> Enviado: viernes, 19 de julio de 2024 05:59 a. m. Para: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org; internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org Asunto: [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure? "it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the fragility of the world's core Internet infrastructure" said Ciaran Martin, Professor of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and former head of UK national cyber security center... _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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"This was not an Internet outage or shutdown. There was no loss of connectivity. The networks all continued to work. Data continued to flow" Correct. Due to this rationale, it is not an Internet problem? It is an Internet problem, and more than an Internet problem - a Technology problem. If this were the pre-Internet early 1970s with computers on the airplanes and airports running today's Microsoft O/S secured by Crowdstrike, not all computers would have been almost simultaneously been updated, and this wouldn't have been a problem of massive geographical scale. As Dan and Olaf acknowleges, "deploying software on Internet scale, in particular updates, can cause issues on a massive scale"; Also the "inter-reliance of systems and services" came to us bundled with the Internet. If our world is a world of "complex, interconnected systems", we have been careless about adopting and implementing these technologies, especially the Internet technologies. On the cloud, the crowdstike update could be done remotely, but the fix requires physical access - to one computer or another in a sequence ??? And, why does Security invariably brings about a Security issue of a totally different kind, especially on the Internet? Apart from diversity and redundancy (not merely five operating systems on a A 380, five different hardware architectures, alternating between analog and digital, five different communication systems from five different vendors across technogies, with a capacity to shut everything out and put the hands on the controls), we need something else - what I would call "backward functionality" as distinct from backward compatibility between versions of software or hardware. If the computer on the airplane wired to the "fly by wire" doesn't work, God forbid, mid-air, does the airplane's controls fall back to the foot pedal and mechanical levers and are there enough of these mechanical components left for the pilot to flip a switch here, flip a switch there, rotate a wheel with his foot doing something else and a copilot operating a few cables and a radio? Does the airline or the hotel have paper and ink on the table to write down the name of the passenger or guest and put them on the plane? Are there flip switches to the lights on the runway or on the traffic lights on the street? (This is very, very, very pertinent to the "Internet" issue raised here: "On July 14, 2013, India shut its state-run telegram service" Why? Because we have computers and the Internet? Sivasubramanian M Sent by a Verified [image: Sent by a Verified sender] <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=YQmHX1HBGdde> sender On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:16 PM Antony Van Couvering via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:
Insofar as whereinso exists hereinbelow, whosoever as as may have spoken to whomsoever listens now explains that as wherasheretobefore Microsoft gained lots of market share, now asne’ertillnow we as noone everhereinbefore blame them throughoutaround and thoroughly forevermore so they should pay the damages notusnoteverus.
On Jul 19, 2024, at 15:36, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:
Which still doesn’t answer the question asked
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal
On 19 Jul 2024, at 22:51, Cody Tippie <cody.tippie@outlook.com> wrote:
*[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Michele Neylon,
Incidence relational to Crowdstrike runs concurrent with examination as to that of Cyberespionage or simply to oligarchic competitioning. Crowdstrike was ranked first by that of the Gartner, seconded to Microsoft and to similar basis of relation to that of Forester Wave Cloud Workload Security Q1 2024. Wheresoin Microsoft has been steadily gaining with regard to that of Platform security technologies therein to the overtaking or ousting of capabilities typically offered by a diveristy of otherwise service providers and competitors; leveraging any such security therein directly integrated or built into such stated Technology providers platform.
With any such outages occurring across that of the Security provider Crowdstrike itself; such forces firms to therein migrate to otherwise service providers; or to that of platform hosted services which can offer similar and integrated reliability and services that therein outcompete basis as to that of which smaller firms solutions and security providers provide.
Per the WEF Global Risk Report 2024; consolidation of technological power was a merging basis of concern with relation to that of certain strata in or across society.
https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/ <https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> Global Risks Report 2024 | World Economic Forum <https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-risks-report-2024/> The Global Risks Report 2024 from the World Economic Forum explores some of the most severe risks we may face over the next decade. Read the report to learn more. www.weforum.org
Best Regards, Cody Ryan Tippie ------------------------------ *From:* InternetPolicy <internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via InternetPolicy < internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org> *Sent:* Friday 19 July 2024 16:44 *To:* Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> *Cc:* Alejandro Pisanty <apisan@unam.mx>; At Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org < InternetPolicy@elists.isoc.org> *Subject:* Re: [Internet Policy] [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
Insurance maybe? I doubt that CrowdStrike or anyone else will accept liability
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal
On 19 Jul 2024, at 21:42, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
*[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. <off topic>
Any idea on who is going to pay for the damages? Cheers, R.
On 19.07.2024, at 22:16, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:
Yeah Software NOT internet related at all Those of us who don’t use that company’s products weren’t impacted at all Though I am glad I wasn’t flying with Ryanair today!
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Hosting & Domains https://www.blacknight.com @mneylon Sent from mobile so typos and brevity are normal
On 19 Jul 2024, at 20:18, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:
*[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.
Amazingly it still takes some effort to know what is and what is not an Internet issue. Better read this brief, clear text from ISOC, by Olaf Kolkmann and Dan York:
https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates...
Alejandro Pisanty
<https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates...> Global Tech Outage Demonstrates Need for Resiliency in Software Systems - Internet Society <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2024/07/global-tech-outage-demonstrates...> www.internetsociety.org Today's global outage of many systems was not an Internet outage, but it demonstrates the need for greater resilience in all our technical systems.
------------------------------ *De:* Sivasubramanian M via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> *Enviado:* viernes, 19 de julio de 2024 05:59 a. m. *Para:* at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org; internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org *Asunto:* [At-Large] Fragility of the World's Internet Infrastructure?
"it is a very, very uncomfortable illustration of the fragility of the world's core Internet infrastructure" said Ciaran Martin, Professor of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and former head of UK national cyber security center... _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org
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