Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista
ICANN is *NOT* a regulator, a function that requires government granting of powers. But it does, via contracts, perform regulatory-type functions and controls. Alan At 13/07/2018 05:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Every ICANN president has vigorously asserted that ICANN is not a regulator. This is not merely a casual opinion, it is a demand imposed upon them by ICANN's lawyers. To admit that ICANN is a regulator - - or even provides some regulatory function - - is to invite even deeper state scrutiny and attempts to make ICANN into a multilateral, treaty-based body than now exists.
In a submission to ICANN's Accountability and Transparency review team more than a decade ago, a number of At-Large members submitted an analysis that called on ICANN to recognize the obvious and embrace its inner regulator:
Not much has changed. While a few references are dated, the paper's observations and commentaries are as valid now as then.
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On Jul 13, 2018 5:13 PM, "Kan Kaili" <<mailto:kankaili@gmail.com>kankaili@gmail.com> wrote: Indeed Goran has said "ICANN is not a regulator" many times. I have heard him saying that myself. However, this is something I disagree with him.
Again, in my personal opinion, as long as the positioning of ICANN stays blurry as it is now, the confusion will only accumulate until it creats a crisis.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Helsingius" <<mailto:julf@julf.com>julf@julf.com> To: <<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista
On 12-07-18 19:56, Kan Kaili wrote:
In my opinion, ICANN should play the role of a regulator.
Our esteemed CEO, Göran Marby, has a number of phrases he repeats fairly often. "ICANN is not a regulator" is one of them.
Julf
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Quick, question. When is a pig not a pig? Answer: When its wearing lipstick and you name it Ms Piggy! -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:29 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
ICANN is *NOT* a regulator, a function that requires government granting of powers. But it does, via contracts, perform regulatory-type functions and controls.
Alan
At 13/07/2018 05:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Every ICANN president has vigorously asserted that ICANN is not a regulator. This is not merely a casual opinion, it is a demand imposed upon them by ICANN's lawyers. To admit that ICANN is a regulator - - or even provides some regulatory function - - is to invite even deeper state scrutiny and attempts to make ICANN into a multilateral, treaty-based body than now exists.
In a submission to ICANN's Accountability and Transparency review team more than a decade ago, a number of At-Large members submitted an analysis that called on ICANN to recognize the obvious and embrace its inner regulator:
https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-atrt2-02apr13/pdfNKvEtbrZ3u.pdf
Not much has changed. While a few references are dated, the paper's observations and commentaries are as valid now as then.
___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56
On Jul 13, 2018 5:13 PM, "Kan Kaili" <kankaili@gmail.com> wrote: Indeed Goran has said "ICANN is not a regulator" many times. I have heard him saying that myself. However, this is something I disagree with him.
Again, in my personal opinion, as long as the positioning of ICANN stays blurry as it is now, the confusion will only accumulate until it creats a crisis.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Helsingius" <julf@julf.com> To: < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista
On 12-07-18 19:56, Kan Kaili wrote:
In my opinion, ICANN should play the role of a regulator.
Our esteemed CEO, Göran Marby, has a number of phrases he repeats fairly often. "ICANN is not a regulator" is one of them.
Julf
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Dear Alan, this quite an abstract and general definition of regulation. Let's try to stick to the provision of public goods, and limit the possible regulatory function to conflicts of interest between the providers of public goods and the final users. In this case is just the provision of addressing resources to internet active content providers. Please if someone has an even narrow definition, put it on the table as Michele already suggested. And back to Carlton's initial question on this thread: did the expansion go too far?????? Did the expansion trick a whole group of agent's wiht common intersts (.brands) into a bad economic decision?? (my additional question to Carlton's) Cheers --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El 2018-07-14 00:14, Alan Greenberg escribió:
ICANN is *NOT* a regulator, a function that requires government granting of powers. But it does, via contracts, perform regulatory-type functions and controls.
Alan
At 13/07/2018 05:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Every ICANN president has vigorously asserted that ICANN is not a regulator. This is not merely a casual opinion, it is a demand imposed upon them by ICANN's lawyers. To admit that ICANN is a regulator - - or even provides some regulatory function - - is to invite even deeper state scrutiny and attempts to make ICANN into a multilateral, treaty-based body than now exists.
In a submission to ICANN's Accountability and Transparency review team more than a decade ago, a number of At-Large members submitted an analysis that called on ICANN to recognize the obvious and embrace its inner regulator:
https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-atrt2-02apr13/pdfNKvEtbrZ3u.pdf [1]
Not much has changed. While a few references are dated, the paper's observations and commentaries are as valid now as then.
___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56
On Jul 13, 2018 5:13 PM, "Kan Kaili" <kankaili@gmail.com> wrote: Indeed Goran has said "ICANN is not a regulator" many times. I have heard him saying that myself. However, this is something I disagree with him.
Again, in my personal opinion, as long as the positioning of ICANN stays blurry as it is now, the confusion will only accumulate until it creats a crisis.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Helsingius" <julf@julf.com> To: < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista
On 12-07-18 19:56, Kan Kaili wrote: >> In my opinion, ICANN should play the role of a regulator. > > Our esteemed CEO, Göran Marby, has a number of phrases he repeats > fairly often. "ICANN is not a regulator" is one of them. > > Julf > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large [2] > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large [2]
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