Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting
Hi Darlene We have 3 options, I think: NY on the original days (clashes with the Montreal meeting) NY on different days (before or after ) Montreal before or after the Montreal meeting. We haven't got info from Robert/Luc on the details of setting up a meeting in Montreal yet, though. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:40 PM To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting I will be applying to be on that working group immediately - thank you! Now, perhaps we could stay on topic. I WAS around for the lack of discussion that happened around the Vancouver meeting as was Michael Miranda and others. We need to discuss whether we are going to have this meeting or not and where. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:05 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Frankly, Wendy, I didn't like the way the rest of the ALSs were shut out of the decision making process for the Vancouver meeting. It was vetoed by very few people when the rest seemed to want it. At least this time around it is going by group concensus rather than the GROUP being shut out of the process. Much better in my mind and much more transparency.
Perhaps you weren't on the discussion list when it was discussed and consensused down, but we tried to work transparently. I'd love to have your input on policy discussions on the ALAC list, too! How about WHOIS privacy issues? --Wendy
From what I can see, ICANN has been working very hard to get things happening despite certain ones trying there best to hold others back. ICANN even sent their Ohmbudsman to the Vancouver meeting. It was interesting at the Vancouver meeting that not one of the "old guard" ALSs, with the exception of Michael Miranda, even bothered to take
part
by distance. Frankly I think that this shows a dismal lack of regard to the new and emerging ALSs that a face to face meeting could change.
Thank you, ICANN, for your continuing financial support for these efforts.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-5605 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 4/9/2007 10:59 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 4/9/2007 10:59 PM
Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
Hi Darlene
We have 3 options, I think: NY on the original days (clashes with the Montreal meeting) NY on different days (before or after ) Montreal before or after the Montreal meeting.
4. Meet by phone. --Wendy
We haven't got info from Robert/Luc on the details of setting up a meeting in Montreal yet, though.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:40 PM To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting
I will be applying to be on that working group immediately - thank you!
Now, perhaps we could stay on topic. I WAS around for the lack of discussion that happened around the Vancouver meeting as was Michael Miranda and others.
We need to discuss whether we are going to have this meeting or not and where.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:05 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Frankly, Wendy, I didn't like the way the rest of the ALSs were shut out of the decision making process for the Vancouver meeting. It was vetoed by very few people when the rest seemed to want it. At least this time around it is going by group concensus rather than the GROUP being shut out of the process. Much better in my mind and much more transparency.
Perhaps you weren't on the discussion list when it was discussed and consensused down, but we tried to work transparently.
I'd love to have your input on policy discussions on the ALAC list, too! How about WHOIS privacy issues?
--Wendy
From what I can see, ICANN has been working very hard to get things happening despite certain ones trying there best to hold others back. ICANN even sent their Ohmbudsman to the Vancouver meeting. It was interesting at the Vancouver meeting that not one of the "old guard" ALSs, with the exception of Michael Miranda, even bothered to take part by distance. Frankly I think that this shows a dismal lack of regard to the new and emerging ALSs that a face to face meeting could change.
Thank you, ICANN, for your continuing financial support for these efforts.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-5605 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
quick comments... - coordinating the may NA meeting. Who is the lead person. I've traditionally corresponded with Jacob and other NA ALS's about such matters. should i continue to do so, or not? I'm confused by the earlier reference to a North American Liason staffer. Know there's a Canadian liason, but was not aware there was a NA one as well. Has Jacob been promoted to cover both Canada, the Caribbean & USA? - Phone meeting, of course is always an option. structured well, it could be as productive - if not more than a face to face meeting. - as this is a NA issue, can the matter be confined to the NA list? Getting duplicate messages is , well, a bit of a nuisance. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 11-Apr-07, at 3:01 PM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
Hi Darlene
We have 3 options, I think: NY on the original days (clashes with the Montreal meeting) NY on different days (before or after ) Montreal before or after the Montreal meeting.
4. Meet by phone.
--Wendy
We haven't got info from Robert/Luc on the details of setting up a meeting in Montreal yet, though.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:40 PM To: Wendy Seltzer Cc: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting
I will be applying to be on that working group immediately - thank you!
Now, perhaps we could stay on topic. I WAS around for the lack of discussion that happened around the Vancouver meeting as was Michael Miranda and others.
We need to discuss whether we are going to have this meeting or not and where.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:05 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation Meeting
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Frankly, Wendy, I didn't like the way the rest of the ALSs were shut out of the decision making process for the Vancouver meeting. It was vetoed by very few people when the rest seemed to want it. At least this time around it is going by group concensus rather than the GROUP being shut out of the process. Much better in my mind and much more transparency.
Perhaps you weren't on the discussion list when it was discussed and consensused down, but we tried to work transparently.
I'd love to have your input on policy discussions on the ALAC list, too! How about WHOIS privacy issues?
--Wendy
From what I can see, ICANN has been working very hard to get things happening despite certain ones trying there best to hold others back. ICANN even sent their Ohmbudsman to the Vancouver meeting. It was interesting at the Vancouver meeting that not one of the "old guard" ALSs, with the exception of Michael Miranda, even bothered to take part by distance. Frankly I think that this shows a dismal lack of regard to the new and emerging ALSs that a face to face meeting could change.
Thank you, ICANN, for your continuing financial support for these efforts.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-5605 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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Following up on Luc's summary from Tuesday, copied below, here's what I see as the order for things to proceed... (1) The first thing on which we need agreement is the terms of the Draft MOU with ICANN and the Draft Operating Principles. Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP If we can reach agreement on these online or by teleconference, we really shouldn't need an in-person meeting. As I understand the formation process from the other regions, the governing documents were the central focus for their face-to-face meeting. Here in North America, while we have a handful of languages spoken, most everyone has mastery of English, so we should have some added comfort in discussing the points and reaching agreement. (2) AFTER we've signed off on our chartering documents, and assuming that the adopted chartering documents look somewhat like they do now in draft, each individual ALS will need to name its representatives to the General Assembly. (3) The General Assembly will elect its Chair. (4) The Chair of the General Assembly will oversee the election of the 2 ALAC Representatives. Election and seating of ALAC representatives. (5) The Chair of the General Assembly will work with the ALAC, ICANN Staff and the General Assembly to select a permanent Secretariat to support the work of the NARALO. Why don't we spend some time working through Item (1) on the list so we can see what still remains. If we have substantial disagreements about how things should work, we'll be able to spot those now and put them on the agenda for teleconferences and, if necessary, a face-to-face meeting in May. -- Bret
-----Original Message----- From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:24 AM To: Bret Fausett; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
The links to our documents are:
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
What remains to do, as far as I can tell, is:
- for everybody to agree on the 2 documents, - for each ALS to name its 2 representatives to the General Assembly, - for individual users to name their 2 reps to the GA, - name the Chair of the General Assembly, - name our Secreteriat, - choose our 2 ALAC reps.
_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: 10 avril 2007 13:59 To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
My recollection from our previous discussions was that we had money set aside for two meetings: one for RALO formation and one for the signing meeting. We had discussed doing the RALO formation online and by teleconference -- and, frankly, aren't we almost complete with the draft MOU? -- and using the travel money for San Juan and the ICANN annual meeting in November (Bombay?).
What I believe is now on the table is an option for a RALO meeting in Yonkers, NY in early May for RALO formation. As with the proposed meeting in Vancouver, I personally would recommend against the Yonkers meeting and, instead, recommend using the funds for Bombay travel in November.
Before we call this to a vote, or a consensus hum as it may be, perhaps we should review where we are on the documents. If there's really not much left to resolve, then this may be an easy call. As much as I like grabbing beers and meeting new people, as Jacob suggested we do, I'd rather do that around a meeting with a substantive agenda.
Nick, can you send us pointers to the documents and give us a short summary of where we are and what remains to decide?
Many thanks,
Bret
_______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atl arge-lists.icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
With regard to the Draft Operating Principles point #4 that states "Public documents will be produced in English and French", I would like to know why a decision was made not to include Spanish. I'm told that Canada's population is currently about 33 million (with Wikipedia reporting that "roughly 31% of Canadian citizens are French-speaking). That translates into around 10 million speakers of French. As of the last U.S. Census, America had 1,700,000 French speakers. Combined figures would therefore total around 12 million French speakers in the region. Spanish speakers in the U.S. totaled a little more than 17 million in the year 2000 and everyone knows that the U.S. has been inundated lately with illegal immigrants from South of the border. Clearly, Spanish is a language used in the North American region to a greater degree than French. Let me also remind everyone that in Puerto Rico (part of ICANN's North American Region) the dominant language spoken is Spanish. Reference documents: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-29.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Canadian http://www.icann.org/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
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With regard to the Draft Operating Principles point #4 that states "Public documents will be produced in English and French", I would like to know why a decision was made not to include Spanish.
I'm told that Canada's population is currently about 33 million (with Wikipedia reporting that "roughly 31% of Canadian citizens are French-speaking). That translates into around 10 million speakers of French. As of the last U.S. Census, America had 1,700,000 French speakers. Combined figures would therefore total around 12 million French speakers in the region.
Spanish speakers in the U.S. totaled a little more than 17 million in the year 2000 and everyone knows that the U.S. has been inundated lately with illegal immigrants from South of the border. Clearly, Spanish is a language used in the North American region to a greater degree than French.
Let me also remind everyone that in Puerto Rico (part of ICANN's North American Region) the dominant language spoken is Spanish.
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With regard to the Draft Naralo Operating Principles point #5 that states: "The governance of the NARALO will be exercised by a General Assembly, formed by 2 representatives of each member ALS and 2 members from among the unaffiliated individuals", the language is totally unacceptable. Why I hold this view: I refer you to the document entitled "The ICANN Experiment" authored by current ICANN Director Susan P. Crawford wherein it states: "First, the dependence of the democratic story on a bounded electorate can be met by ICANNs agreements with those who participate in its processes - registries, registrars, businesses, registrants, and any other people or entities who show up as part of the ICANN process. The contours of this group will change constantly, of course, but ICANN will be able know roughly who it is talking to and who has agreed to be bound by ICANN determinations. The idea that who shows up may be taken as a representative sample of the rest of the world is part of ICANNs history (and that of other more technical groups such as the IETF). ICANN has established constituencies within the DNSO for business, IP, registries, non-commercial entities, and others. Because it is impossible to get a cross- section of (for example) every non-commercial Internet user, the ICANN system treats the Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency (that is, the people who show up) as the representative constituency. This is a practical approach that can be implemented with a simple contractual agreement to participate, pay minor dues, and adhere to consensus policies (to the extent applicable)." Under the current scheme the voting process has been totally captured by organizational entities at the expense of the individual members of the vast at-large community. This is completely unacceptable to those of us that believe that equal rights should accrue to those individuals that "show up". The At-Large has always been about "individuals"; not about organizations. Organizations already have a home in the NCUC; organizations should not be supplanting the individual in the one body within ICANN that purportedly speaks for the individual user. Reference document: http://scrawford.net/display/Crawford2.pdf ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Thanks Bret. I've gone over the MOU and OP of the other RALOs and made some changes to both our documents to incorporate a few interesting things I found in them. I have 2 questions: 1. Are we really going to get away with the MOU's parag. 6.4? 2. Why do we need parag. 6.5? _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of bfausett@internet.law.pro Sent: 11 avril 2007 17:36 To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [At-Large] Action Items
Following up on Luc's summary from Tuesday, copied below, here's what I see as the order for things to proceed...
(1) The first thing on which we need agreement is the terms of the Draft MOU with ICANN and the Draft Operating Principles.
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
If we can reach agreement on these online or by teleconference, we really shouldn't need an in-person meeting. As I understand the formation process from the other regions, the governing documents were the central focus for their face-to-face meeting. Here in North America, while we have a handful of languages spoken, most everyone has mastery of English, so we should have some added comfort in discussing the points and reaching agreement.
(2) AFTER we've signed off on our chartering documents, and assuming that the adopted chartering documents look somewhat like they do now in draft, each individual ALS will need to name its representatives to the General Assembly.
(3) The General Assembly will elect its Chair.
(4) The Chair of the General Assembly will oversee the election of the 2 ALAC Representatives. Election and seating of ALAC representatives.
(5) The Chair of the General Assembly will work with the ALAC, ICANN Staff and the General Assembly to select a permanent Secretariat to support the work of the NARALO.
Why don't we spend some time working through Item (1) on the list so we can see what still remains. If we have substantial disagreements about how things should work, we'll be able to spot those now and put them on the agenda for teleconferences and, if necessary, a face-to-face meeting in May.
-- Bret
-----Original Message----- From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:24 AM To: Bret Fausett; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
The links to our documents are:
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
What remains to do, as far as I can tell, is:
- for everybody to agree on the 2 documents, - for each ALS to name its 2 representatives to the General Assembly, - for individual users to name their 2 reps to the GA, - name the Chair of the General Assembly, - name our Secreteriat, - choose our 2 ALAC reps.
_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: 10 avril 2007 13:59 To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
My recollection from our previous discussions was that we had money set aside for two meetings: one for RALO formation and one for the signing meeting. We had discussed doing the RALO formation online and by teleconference -- and, frankly, aren't we almost complete with the draft MOU? -- and using the travel money for San Juan and the ICANN annual meeting in November (Bombay?).
What I believe is now on the table is an option for a RALO meeting in Yonkers, NY in early May for RALO formation. As with the proposed meeting in Vancouver, I personally would recommend against the Yonkers meeting and, instead, recommend using the funds for Bombay travel in November.
Before we call this to a vote, or a consensus hum as it may be, perhaps we should review where we are on the documents. If there's really not much left to resolve, then this may be an easy call. As much as I like grabbing beers and meeting new people, as Jacob suggested we do, I'd rather do that around a meeting with a substantive agenda.
Nick, can you send us pointers to the documents and give us a short summary of where we are and what remains to decide?
Many thanks,
Bret
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
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I agree with the process to proceed. I wonder if there is a way to come to a consensus rather than relying on the group emails? So far as the face to face meetings, I would very much like to be in attendance, however please realize that 2 of the NA ALSs are in Honolulu. Travel to Yonkers is about a 6,000 mile trip. I am planning to meet in San Juan, but maybe more central locations would be better. -Randy Glass A@L On 4/11/07, bfausett@internet.law.pro <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Following up on Luc's summary from Tuesday, copied below, here's what I see as the order for things to proceed...
(1) The first thing on which we need agreement is the terms of the Draft MOU with ICANN and the Draft Operating Principles.
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU
Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
If we can reach agreement on these online or by teleconference, we really shouldn't need an in-person meeting. As I understand the formation process from the other regions, the governing documents were the central focus for their face-to-face meeting. Here in North America, while we have a handful of languages spoken, most everyone has mastery of English, so we should have some added comfort in discussing the points and reaching agreement.
(2) AFTER we've signed off on our chartering documents, and assuming that the adopted chartering documents look somewhat like they do now in draft, each individual ALS will need to name its representatives to the General Assembly.
(3) The General Assembly will elect its Chair.
(4) The Chair of the General Assembly will oversee the election of the 2 ALAC Representatives. Election and seating of ALAC representatives.
(5) The Chair of the General Assembly will work with the ALAC, ICANN Staff and the General Assembly to select a permanent Secretariat to support the work of the NARALO.
Why don't we spend some time working through Item (1) on the list so we can see what still remains. If we have substantial disagreements about how things should work, we'll be able to spot those now and put them on the agenda for teleconferences and, if necessary, a face-to-face meeting in May.
-- Bret
-----Original Message----- From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:24 AM To: Bret Fausett; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
The links to our documents are:
Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
What remains to do, as far as I can tell, is:
- for everybody to agree on the 2 documents, - for each ALS to name its 2 representatives to the General Assembly, - for individual users to name their 2 reps to the GA, - name the Chair of the General Assembly, - name our Secreteriat, - choose our 2 ALAC reps.
_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: 10 avril 2007 13:59 To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] Status report on NA-RALO documents?
My recollection from our previous discussions was that we had money set aside for two meetings: one for RALO formation and one for the signing meeting. We had discussed doing the RALO formation online and by teleconference -- and, frankly, aren't we almost complete with the draft MOU? -- and using the travel money for San Juan and the ICANN annual meeting in November (Bombay?).
What I believe is now on the table is an option for a RALO meeting in Yonkers, NY in early May for RALO formation. As with the proposed meeting in Vancouver, I personally would recommend against the Yonkers meeting and, instead, recommend using the funds for Bombay travel in November.
Before we call this to a vote, or a consensus hum as it may be, perhaps we should review where we are on the documents. If there's really not much left to resolve, then this may be an easy call. As much as I like grabbing beers and meeting new people, as Jacob suggested we do, I'd rather do that around a meeting with a substantive agenda.
Nick, can you send us pointers to the documents and give us a short summary of where we are and what remains to decide?
Many thanks,
Bret
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Mr. Robert Guerra -
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