Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] How to 'Disappear' Digital Records?
Alejandro: Oh, the argument has already reared its head surrounding WHOIS. As in what happens to the WHOIS record when I no longer own a domain? I've seen proffers that says the record must be 'expunged'. Think the legal meaning here. And yes, I've been following the 'right to be forgotten' kerfuffle for awhile now. - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan@unam.mx
wrote:
Carlton,
This is just an application of the "Right to be Forgotten", droit de l'oubli, championed among others by Viktor Mayer-Schoenberger in his book "Delete". Legislators and Data Protection Agencies, especially in Europe, were on a froth with it a few years ago and have now boiled it down to some more or less sensible, and very limited, measures that allow people to request the deletion of some personal data. The consideration that this may allow to rewrite history and in other ways harm free speech has thrown a few more icebergs on the issue to cool it down.
And, while the technology may work - erase the message at the expiration time - it may still be made useless. Just print the message, grab a screenshot, or take a photo, and you have created a permanent record.
Your statement that fools will fall for this is - IMO - true. Hope only fools but you never know.
Question, is there any way you see this thing applies to anything under the ICANN-specific sun?
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
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________________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [ carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: martes, 04 de diciembre de 2012 13:59 Hasta: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Asunto: [At-Large] How to 'Disappear' Digital Records?
...say it ain't so? This company ought to be charged with creating a public mischief! [That old Soviet charge of 'malicious hooliganism' might be appropriate!] . Then again, some guy managed to sell quite a few pet rocks.....never can tell, what with the mouth breathers an' all.....
If anyone thinks one can totally erase a digital artefact that is already online, as in 'it absolutely no longer exists anywhere', I have a bridge to sell ya. Prime estate this one, connects Brooklyn to Manhattan. Oh yeah, never mind Mr. Bloomberg carrying on...
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/04/166464858/online-privacy-fix?ft=1&f=1001
- Carlton
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The word own should have been produced as 'own'; in quote marks. Its always a challenge to produce subtlety in thought and irony in written expression in an easy-to-digest way. My apologies. ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>wrote:
Alejandro: Oh, the argument has already reared its head surrounding WHOIS.
As in what happens to the WHOIS record when I no longer own a domain? I've seen proffers that says the record must be 'expunged'. Think the legal meaning here.
And yes, I've been following the 'right to be forgotten' kerfuffle for awhile now.
- Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> wrote:
Carlton,
This is just an application of the "Right to be Forgotten", droit de l'oubli, championed among others by Viktor Mayer-Schoenberger in his book "Delete". Legislators and Data Protection Agencies, especially in Europe, were on a froth with it a few years ago and have now boiled it down to some more or less sensible, and very limited, measures that allow people to request the deletion of some personal data. The consideration that this may allow to rewrite history and in other ways harm free speech has thrown a few more icebergs on the issue to cool it down.
And, while the technology may work - erase the message at the expiration time - it may still be made useless. Just print the message, grab a screenshot, or take a photo, and you have created a permanent record.
Your statement that fools will fall for this is - IMO - true. Hope only fools but you never know.
Question, is there any way you see this thing applies to anything under the ICANN-specific sun?
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
! !! !!! !!!! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO
SMS +525541444475 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
________________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [ carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: martes, 04 de diciembre de 2012 13:59 Hasta: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Asunto: [At-Large] How to 'Disappear' Digital Records?
...say it ain't so? This company ought to be charged with creating a public mischief! [That old Soviet charge of 'malicious hooliganism' might be appropriate!] . Then again, some guy managed to sell quite a few pet rocks.....never can tell, what with the mouth breathers an' all.....
If anyone thinks one can totally erase a digital artefact that is already online, as in 'it absolutely no longer exists anywhere', I have a bridge to sell ya. Prime estate this one, connects Brooklyn to Manhattan. Oh yeah, never mind Mr. Bloomberg carrying on...
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/04/166464858/online-privacy-fix?ft=1&f=1001
- Carlton
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