All these funding, participation and intention stress could be easily saved. Time and experience has proven that most of such meeting participants are just some meeting tourists. Just a handful are really interested in the issue at stake. This fanfare could be avoided by a simple process. There are ATLAS members in almost every country. Why can’t some of these members in the countries where such meetings are being organized represent the group? This will cut down all unnecessary travel expenses as well as the stress of discussing and deciding why resources are wasted or not wasted. Most members who are not official leaders of the group, are also interested in the issues of the group the same way like those who are financed to such meetings. We don’t need to keep on doing the same things over and over again and expect different results. The meeting tourism should be cut off, and there will be results. My two cents Paulyn Von: At-Large [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Alejandro Pisanty Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2019 08:52 An: Alberto Soto Cc: Alan Greenberg; At-Large Worldwide Betreff: Re: [At-Large] ATLASIII Participation Alberto, agree, and the discussion should move to the objectives of the summit and the ways to achieve them. An important step would be to find out what would better serve the people whom the organizations in At Large and the ICANN design for At Large mean to serve. Lamentations over, work on. Quick question picking up from ATLAS II, and a useful poll every organization should run with its membership and report: what is more important for the final user? An ICANN that works effecitvely (cost-effective; shielded from special-interest [including governmental] capture; credible, predictable policy processes; DNS stable, secure, robust, reliable, and resilient; and so on) or an At Large that works to its leadership's satisfaction? We should be able to design that in a short time and make sure it is run in all five regions in a way that delivers significant results. These results would provide a benchmark for success or failure of the meeting and further help prepare participants as well as better define and weed out misconduct. Alejandro Pisanty On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:51 PM Alberto Soto <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote: I think there are opinions about the intention, participation, selection of those selected for ATLAS III who have not taken the necessary knowledge about the whole process. And it seems that I have not taken into account the participation in ATLAS I and Atlas II. And it is very bad, it distorts a whole process that had a wide dissemination before, now generated a discussion that makes us lose time with issues that were clarified before the selection of the applicants. If they did not take knowledge before for not having participated, I want to emphasize that in the ALAC webinar we had very few participants (never more than twenty ...). In those that were requirements for ATLAS III in which I participated, there were more than 70, and there were two equal. All of them became aware that webinars were one of the requirements to be selected. There were others related to participation in its Ralo, ALAC and / or ICANN. I think thats enough ... I believe that the demands try to ensure an active participation, that they justify the investment of ICANN. I want to emphasize this concept: investment. Because if the objectives fail, this will be an expense, with the responsibility of ALAC. The issue of investment or expense, I did note in an ALAC meeting with the ICANN board when we talk about the translation services. Regards Alberto De: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Fecha: martes, 9 de julio de 2019, 23:59 Para: Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> CC: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [At-Large] ATLASIII Participation Nowhere did we ever advertise ATLAS III as a "free vacation trip to glorious damp, cold and maybe snowy Montreal". We asked for people who wanted to participate in ATLAS III, and all we are saying here is that, to hopefully no ones surprise, we actually expect them to participate. Alan At 09/07/2019 09:46 PM, Jacqueline Morris wrote: A quick question - were all of these explained to applicants before they applied? Because it seems to me to be a bit "bait and switch" to impose requirements and penalties AFTER the application process has ended, and the winning candidates have been chosen and are making ready to travel. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:21 PM < h.raiche@internode.on.net <mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net> > wrote: And not to labour the point, but all ATLASIII participants need to know up front what is expected of them both in behavour and work, and consequences for failuare to meet the know standards Holly ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Laprise" <jlaprise@gmail.com> To: "At-Large Worldwide" < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Cc: Sent: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:11:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [At-Large] ATLASIII Participation I think at this point we have sufficient data to assess that in the past, ATLAS participants were not always as diligent as we would like. I'm all for collecting data at ATLASIII, however we should have in place remedies for failure to abide by the MOU in place before rather than after On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 2:59 PM Alfredo Calderon < calderon.alfredo@gmail.com <mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> > wrote: John: As a Fellow and NASIG organizer a MOU was sent to all selected and we had to agree to all conditions and sign. Once that documentation was received it was official to proceed with Travel arrangements. Additionally, during the different sessions a visual (look-around) was done, since all Fellows should have stated their schedule for the dates at each ICANN Meeting. I the case of our NASIG daily attendance was required. Alfredo Calderon eLearning Consultant calderon.alfredo@gmail.com | http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com | Skype: Alfredo_1212| wiseintro.co/alfredocalderon Get your own email signature <https://wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=promotion&utm_medium=signatur...> On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:16 AM, John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote: I would like us all to consider consequences for ATLASIII participants who travel but do not participate (excepting reasons of illness etc). This is a serious, professional responsibility and should be treated as such. For a start, I would suggest that participants who fail to participate should be ineligible for funding and elections for 3 years. I look forward to conversation on this topic leading to action by the ALAC. 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