ALAC Mailing List Changes - an update
Dear ALAC List members: Earlier today, I emailed you about some of the changes to the worldwide At-Large lists, however, I misunderstood a part of what was intended with respect to the new working committee list. It is actually intended that this list will be viewable via the open archives (and, since the mailing lists are all connected to forums on atlarge.icann.org, you can see the list traffic there too), but not that you would be able to subscribe to it, as per the ALAC resolution at its July meeting, and in line with other similar lists such as the GNSO Council. The following affects on the ALAC lists should be noted: 1. This list, alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.htm> , will effectively be renamed to at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.htm> . The list will no longer be a combination of the working public list of the ALAC and also the worldwide discussion list. It will simply be the worldwide discussion list. As at present, anyone may subscribe to it, and any subscriber may post to it. PLEASE NOTE that the limitation rule on the number of recipients in any message sent to this list to be accepted (not bounced or moderated) will remain at no MORE than 5. 2. A new list, called alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.htm> , will be created. It will be read/write for ALAC members, RALO secretariats/chairs, and ALAC liaisons and read-only for everyone else. This will be the main working list of ALAC. Anyone may review the archives at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/ or via the read-only forum available from http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/forum/204. Separately, there is one new list: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org <alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.htm> , which is being set up now. This list will be for community announcements which are relevant to the entire worldwide community. Staff and to-be-designated members of the ALAC (including the ALAC Executive Committee of the Chair, Vice-Chairs, and Rapporteur) will be able to post to it. I have also been asked to remind you of the fact that there is another list, ALAC-Internal, which is a closed list intended to be used primarily for administrivia, coordinating travel, meeting times, and other things of a non-substantive or confidential nature. When will the changes take place? The changes to this list will take place Friday morning at approximately 10:00 Eastern Time (UTC 5). The transition should not take long; if an email gets sent during the changeover it is expected that it will be queued and go through after the technicians finish their work. Other Important Facts: 1. If you are subscribed to the ALAC list at the time of the change, you will be subscribed to the At-Large list once it is created. All of the current ALAC list archives will also be available, as they are being renamed along with the list and its configuration. 2. If you are subscribed to the ALAC list, you will also be subscribed to the ALAC-Announce list (it is being configured as we speak; many of you will already have received your subscription notification) of course you can unsubscribe yourself whenever you wish. 3. All Authorised ALS representatives will be subscribed to the ALAC-Announce list once the changeover is complete. This will make it much easier for community leaders and staff to reach every ALS representative with one email. Any discussion which you wish to have on what you receive would need to be redirected to one of the RALO lists, or the global discussion-only list, as you think relevant. Please let us know if you have any concerns or questions. We hope you will find that these are helpful, and in particular that they help to ensure that you are able to follow the business of the community more effectively than may have been the case as a subscriber to the previous list. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org
Ok - the first attempt to send this message (just replying to a message from the global public list) got me back a "you're not authorized to open your mouth" message. Let's see if this other address works. At-Large Staff ha scritto:
Dear ALAC List members:
Earlier today, I emailed you about some of the changes to the worldwide At-Large lists, however, I misunderstood a part of what was intended with respect to the new working committee list.
It is actually intended that this list will be viewable via the open archives (and, since the mailing lists are all connected to forums on atlarge.icann.org, you can see the list traffic there too), but not that you would be able to subscribe to it, as per the ALAC resolution at its July meeting, and in line with other similar lists such as the GNSO Council.
This effectively means that the rest of the community can't participate in a discussion with ALAC members. If I had to comment on something that an ALAC member said, what I would have to do is: - spend my time pressing F5 in my browser on the Web archive of the "public" ALAC list so that I can notice that a new message has been sent; - read it through the impractical, year-1995-style mail-to-list interface that ICANN provides; - select and copy the text; - open a new message in my email program, directed to the global At Large list; - paste the text as quote (hoping that my email app lets me do so); - add my comment; - manually add into the address list the person I am replying to, since it won't be there by default and I'm not even sure whether he/she'll be reading the global list; - presumably add some text to explain what I am replying to, since no one on that list will have seen the message before. Do you really think that this is a reasonable proposal? Also, is this list (the global one) being left to its destiny as Mr. Williams' personal dump? If that's the case, I don't see how we can have a discussion here either. It's just like the ALAC, rather than putting some effort into moderating the list and ensuring a reasonable environment for discussion with its community, prefers going away and preventing any outside participation. Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Vittorio and all, Yeah, I got several of these as well. Tells me that the "Changes" and the person that made them were not done correctly or not proper specified "Changes". I bet that this is/was a human error! Of course this is what happens when you have incompetent people making such "Changes". And such is all to typical of ICANN staff members historically. Vittorio Bertola wrote:
Ok - the first attempt to send this message (just replying to a message from the global public list) got me back a "you're not authorized to open your mouth" message. Let's see if this other address works.
At-Large Staff ha scritto:
Dear ALAC List members:
Earlier today, I emailed you about some of the changes to the worldwide At-Large lists, however, I misunderstood a part of what was intended with respect to the new working committee list.
It is actually intended that this list will be viewable via the open archives (and, since the mailing lists are all connected to forums on atlarge.icann.org, you can see the list traffic there too), but not that you would be able to subscribe to it, as per the ALAC resolution at its July meeting, and in line with other similar lists such as the GNSO Council.
This effectively means that the rest of the community can't participate in a discussion with ALAC members. If I had to comment on something that an ALAC member said, what I would have to do is: - spend my time pressing F5 in my browser on the Web archive of the "public" ALAC list so that I can notice that a new message has been sent; - read it through the impractical, year-1995-style mail-to-list interface that ICANN provides; - select and copy the text; - open a new message in my email program, directed to the global At Large list; - paste the text as quote (hoping that my email app lets me do so); - add my comment; - manually add into the address list the person I am replying to, since it won't be there by default and I'm not even sure whether he/she'll be reading the global list; - presumably add some text to explain what I am replying to, since no one on that list will have seen the message before.
Do you really think that this is a reasonable proposal?
Also, is this list (the global one) being left to its destiny as Mr. Williams' personal dump? If that's the case, I don't see how we can have a discussion here either. It's just like the ALAC, rather than putting some effort into moderating the list and ensuring a reasonable environment for discussion with its community, prefers going away and preventing any outside participation.
Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Vittorio, this is why I opened a moderated Internet @large list at http://atlax.org. I do not want to advertise it too much because france@large plans to carry a technical review on the best way to support the Internet Governance various Fora and @large groups, and even possibily enginerr or develop a management tool based upon our height years of experience of the issue and ICANN. That list will be what @larges want it to be as per their rough consensus. jfc At 14:41 02/08/2008, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
Ok - the first attempt to send this message (just replying to a message from the global public list) got me back a "you're not authorized to open your mouth" message. Let's see if this other address works.
At-Large Staff ha scritto:
Dear ALAC List members:
Earlier today, I emailed you about some of the changes to the worldwide At-Large lists, however, I misunderstood a part of what was intended with respect to the new working committee list.
It is actually intended that this list will be viewable via the open archives (and, since the mailing lists are all connected to forums on atlarge.icann.org, you can see the list traffic there too), but not that you would be able to subscribe to it, as per the ALAC resolution at its July meeting, and in line with other similar lists such as the GNSO Council.
This effectively means that the rest of the community can't participate in a discussion with ALAC members. If I had to comment on something that an ALAC member said, what I would have to do is: - spend my time pressing F5 in my browser on the Web archive of the "public" ALAC list so that I can notice that a new message has been sent; - read it through the impractical, year-1995-style mail-to-list interface that ICANN provides; - select and copy the text; - open a new message in my email program, directed to the global At Large list; - paste the text as quote (hoping that my email app lets me do so); - add my comment; - manually add into the address list the person I am replying to, since it won't be there by default and I'm not even sure whether he/she'll be reading the global list; - presumably add some text to explain what I am replying to, since no one on that list will have seen the message before.
Do you really think that this is a reasonable proposal?
Also, is this list (the global one) being left to its destiny as Mr. Williams' personal dump? If that's the case, I don't see how we can have a discussion here either. It's just like the ALAC, rather than putting some effort into moderating the list and ensuring a reasonable environment for discussion with its community, prefers going away and preventing any outside participation.
Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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participants (4)
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At-Large Staff -
Jeffrey A. Williams -
JFC Morfin -
Vittorio Bertola