WEBCAST MAR 12 – DC-CIV / At-Large – Core Internet Values: Evolution and Challenges for ICANN
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REAL TIME TEXT https://bit.ly/4hsAk9W [image: ISOC LIVE] <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=56ea09993a9d6d746a5a2b8f...> On *Wednesday March 12 2025*, at *10:30-12:00 PDT* (17:30-19:00 UTC) the *Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fe2a5c82e5ea1ec9e423e77a4b94d3c4132be909acc8b37406f1364101bc18df&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=3697942deb2f97a70ffc3ffd1bafb9bb&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW50Z292Zm9ydW0ub3JnL2VuL2NvbnRlbnQvZHluYW1pYy1jb2FsaXRpb24tb24tY29yZS1pbnRlcm5ldC12YWx1ZXM&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (DC-CIV) and the *At-Large Advisory Committee <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=d14c125353f3808684e2d3bcfc553549720326af1a501b85b3713a9d5601a918&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=2ea04555908c4240b279b6fbada0067b&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2Fubi1jb21tdW5pdHkuYXRsYXNzaWFuLm5ldC93aWtpL3NwYWNlcy9hdGxhcmdlL292ZXJ2aWV3&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (ALAC) will host a session '*Core Internet Values: Evolution and Challenges for ICANN <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fb989989fe1a854255a589bb5916dcc302a5488b8878adba8f106aa928963f78&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=dc9eb99f7b140589978766f641205624&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2FubjgyLnNjaGVkLmNvbS9ldmVudC8xdnBadw=&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>*"\' at the *ICANN 82 Community Forum <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=0f2f867f575e890d4a79a3f1e48c68a3681f826dba1f98d69ed1c80281571ded&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=993a38a4c7f92ec280e161e15bd36209&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWV0aW5ncy5pY2Fubi5vcmcvZW4vbWVldGluZ3MvaWNhbm44Mi8&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* in Seattle, Washington. The concept of core Internet values has been a cornerstone of the Internet’s architecture. However, with seismic shifts in technology, governance models, and geopolitical dynamics, these values require adjustment to remain relevant in today’s rapidly evolving environment. This session will examine how such adjustments could affect ICANN’s remit and mission. It will explore the balance between preserving foundational principles and adapting to emerging realities, leveraging insights from technological, governance, and geopolitical trends, alongside ICANN’s operational experience. The discussion will identify necessary changes, their implications for ICANN, and strategies to address these challenges while upholding its core purpose. *PANEL* *Vinton Cerf* - Chief Internet Evangelist, Google *Tripti Sinha* - Chair, ICANN Board of Directors *Olivier Crépin-Leblond* - Chair, Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values *Preetam Maloor* - Head, Emerging Technologies Division, ITU *INTERVENTIONS* *Adiel Akplogan - *VP, Technical Engagement, ICANN *Olga Cavalli* - Associate Professor, University of Buenos Aires *James Galvin* - SSAC Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *David Lawrence* - IETF Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *Jennifer Chung* - Vice President, Policy, DotAsia Organisation *Tijani BenJemaa* - Executivr Director, Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI) *MODERATORS* *Pari Esfandiari* – At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) *Alejandro Pisanty* - Professor, National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) *LIVESTREAM <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=a421141815ec431e534d1c93...> | SIMULCASTS X Live <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=1ec7218bf8121612f76fdcc8...> | Twitch <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=2b5e4bf9ef232413d3679d37...> | Facebook Live <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=446d1c33068824979a160f3f723d399d50d80296d40b138ec92116c231ed2034&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=2ee30621a6f801c2c3dfe67e580c3ebd&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pc29jLmxpdmUvMTg5ODQvJTIwaHR0cHM6L3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb20vbGl2ZWlzb2Mv&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* *PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fb989989fe1a854255a589bb...> | REAL TIME TEXT <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=7b954cf27e191631ea5895d0...> | ADD TO CALENDAR <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=4b9fc1d1cf1de83beea21cb2...> | PERMALINK <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=7b954cf27e191631ea5895d0625fc56d55354681aa895a1d21fe405b9fa2a623&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=c72bf69fee2d99b36c0e5f78eea6f0b0&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pc29jLmxpdmUvMTg5ODQ&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* *TWITTER #CoreInternetValues <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=8bce7d5ea9c12a9c597cab55...> #ICANN82 MASTODON <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=524b590e2ff703a8ce7ccbb9...> | BLUESKY <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b69fd5742aa1d70c52ac1c09...> | INSTA <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=d4f82129ff2dbdd294c85f285ad3b271a2d7b189b0bee5844c624da0cc390040&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=3426da17b3fdbb83d4ec5fd0b393ed2e&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbS9leHBsb3JlL3NlYXJjaC9rZXl3b3JkLz9xPSUyM0NvcmVJbnRlcm5ldFZhbHVlcyUyMA=&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* *** ISOC.LIVE is a free webcasting support service for the Internet Society Community - ISOC LIVE is currently unfunded - if you would like to become a monthly sponsor - contact support@isoc.live *** - -- -------------------------------------- Joly MacFie +12185659365 -------------------------------------- -
Edited / Transcribed / Summarized / Archived - *YOUTUBE <https://youtu.be/q7EDtiPCIX0>TRANSCRIPT AR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.AR_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / EN <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.EN_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / ES <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ES_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / FR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.FR_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / RU <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.RU_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / ZH <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ZH_TRANSCRIPT.pdf>SUMMARY AR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.AR_SUMMARY.pdf> / EN <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.EN_SUMMARY.pdf> / ES <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ES_SUMMARY.pdf> / FR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.FR_SUMMARY.pdf> / RU <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.RU_SUMMARY.pdf> / ZH <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ZH_SUMMARY.pdf> * *ARCHIVE <https://archive.org/details/icann82-civ> | ORIGINAL LIVESTREAM <https://youtube.com/live/shXMxS5Ppgg?feature=share> | PERMALINK <https://isoc.live/18984>* Overall, the general theme was 'unity is strength' On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:48 PM Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
Just started. REAL TIME TEXT https://bit.ly/4hsAk9W
[image: ISOC LIVE] <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=56ea09993a9d6d746a5a2b8f...> On *Wednesday March 12 2025*, at *10:30-12:00 PDT* (17:30-19:00 UTC) the *Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fe2a5c82e5ea1ec9e423e77a4b94d3c4132be909acc8b37406f1364101bc18df&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=3697942deb2f97a70ffc3ffd1bafb9bb&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW50Z292Zm9ydW0ub3JnL2VuL2NvbnRlbnQvZHluYW1pYy1jb2FsaXRpb24tb24tY29yZS1pbnRlcm5ldC12YWx1ZXM&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (DC-CIV) and the *At-Large Advisory Committee <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=d14c125353f3808684e2d3bcfc553549720326af1a501b85b3713a9d5601a918&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=2ea04555908c4240b279b6fbada0067b&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2Fubi1jb21tdW5pdHkuYXRsYXNzaWFuLm5ldC93aWtpL3NwYWNlcy9hdGxhcmdlL292ZXJ2aWV3&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (ALAC) will host a session '*Core Internet Values: Evolution and Challenges for ICANN <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fb989989fe1a854255a589bb5916dcc302a5488b8878adba8f106aa928963f78&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=dc9eb99f7b140589978766f641205624&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2FubjgyLnNjaGVkLmNvbS9ldmVudC8xdnBadw=&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>*"\' at the *ICANN 82 Community Forum <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=0f2f867f575e890d4a79a3f1e48c68a3681f826dba1f98d69ed1c80281571ded&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=993a38a4c7f92ec280e161e15bd36209&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWV0aW5ncy5pY2Fubi5vcmcvZW4vbWVldGluZ3MvaWNhbm44Mi8&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* in Seattle, Washington.
The concept of core Internet values has been a cornerstone of the Internet’s architecture. However, with seismic shifts in technology, governance models, and geopolitical dynamics, these values require adjustment to remain relevant in today’s rapidly evolving environment. This session will examine how such adjustments could affect ICANN’s remit and mission. It will explore the balance between preserving foundational principles and adapting to emerging realities, leveraging insights from technological, governance, and geopolitical trends, alongside ICANN’s operational experience. The discussion will identify necessary changes, their implications for ICANN, and strategies to address these challenges while upholding its core purpose.
*PANEL* *Vinton Cerf* - Chief Internet Evangelist, Google *Tripti Sinha* - Chair, ICANN Board of Directors *Olivier Crépin-Leblond* - Chair, Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values *Preetam Maloor* - Head, Emerging Technologies Division, ITU
*INTERVENTIONS* *Adiel Akplogan - *VP, Technical Engagement, ICANN *Olga Cavalli* - Associate Professor, University of Buenos Aires *James Galvin* - SSAC Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *David Lawrence* - IETF Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *Jennifer Chung* - Vice President, Policy, DotAsia Organisation *Tijani BenJemaa* - Executivr Director, Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
*MODERATORS* *Pari Esfandiari* – At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) *Alejandro Pisanty* - Professor, National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM)
*LIVESTREAM <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=a421141815ec431e534d1c93...> | SIMULCASTS X Live <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=1ec7218bf8121612f76fdcc8...> | Twitch <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=2b5e4bf9ef232413d3679d37...> | Facebook Live <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=446d1c33068824979a160f3f723d399d50d80296d40b138ec92116c231ed2034&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=2ee30621a6f801c2c3dfe67e580c3ebd&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pc29jLmxpdmUvMTg5ODQvJTIwaHR0cHM6L3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb20vbGl2ZWlzb2Mv&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>*
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*TWITTER #CoreInternetValues <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=8bce7d5ea9c12a9c597cab55...> #ICANN82 MASTODON <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=524b590e2ff703a8ce7ccbb9...> | BLUESKY <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b69fd5742aa1d70c52ac1c09...> | INSTA <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=d4f82129ff2dbdd294c85f285ad3b271a2d7b189b0bee5844c624da0cc390040&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=3426da17b3fdbb83d4ec5fd0b393ed2e&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbS9leHBsb3JlL3NlYXJjaC9rZXl3b3JkLz9xPSUyM0NvcmVJbnRlcm5ldFZhbHVlcyUyMA=&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* *** ISOC.LIVE is a free webcasting support service for the Internet Society Community - ISOC LIVE is currently unfunded - if you would like to become a monthly sponsor - contact support@isoc.live ***
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Dear colleagues, I would like to thank Pari Esfandiari for having organised this session and all the excellent panellists that took part, as well as Joly for doing such an excellent job of the resulting recording linked below. I have received many enquiries about how to join the DC Core Internet Values mailing list. Subscribing is easy: https://groups.google.com/group/coreinternetvalues/subscribe Alternatively, email me and I'll add you to the list. Kindest regards, Olivier On 14/03/2025 09:04, Joly MacFie via At-Large wrote:
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*YOUTUBE <https://youtu.be/q7EDtiPCIX0> TRANSCRIPT AR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.AR_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / EN <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.EN_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / ES <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ES_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / FR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.FR_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / RU <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.RU_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> / ZH <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ZH_TRANSCRIPT.pdf> SUMMARY AR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.AR_SUMMARY.pdf> / EN <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.EN_SUMMARY.pdf> / ES <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ES_SUMMARY.pdf> / FR <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.FR_SUMMARY.pdf> / RU <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.RU_SUMMARY.pdf> / ZH <https://archive.org/download/icann82-civ/icann82-civ.ZH_SUMMARY.pdf> *
*ARCHIVE <https://archive.org/details/icann82-civ> | ORIGINAL LIVESTREAM <https://youtube.com/live/shXMxS5Ppgg?feature=share> | PERMALINK <https://isoc.live/18984>
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Overall, the general theme was 'unity is strength'
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:48 PM Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
Just started. REAL TIME TEXT https://bit.ly/4hsAk9W
ISOC LIVE <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=56ea09993a9d6d746a5a2b8fbe552a441f7dee8a11c3ccbb8f8ba71807f8d417&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=65a7afdfa02ebd62b5b52ac60d870ee7&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pc29jLmxpdmUvMTg5ODQlMjA&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>On *Wednesday March 12 2025*, at *10:30-12:00 PDT* (17:30-19:00 UTC) the *Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fe2a5c82e5ea1ec9e423e77a4b94d3c4132be909acc8b37406f1364101bc18df&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=3697942deb2f97a70ffc3ffd1bafb9bb&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW50Z292Zm9ydW0ub3JnL2VuL2NvbnRlbnQvZHluYW1pYy1jb2FsaXRpb24tb24tY29yZS1pbnRlcm5ldC12YWx1ZXM&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (DC-CIV) and the *At-Large Advisory Committee <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=d14c125353f3808684e2d3bcfc553549720326af1a501b85b3713a9d5601a918&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=2ea04555908c4240b279b6fbada0067b&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2Fubi1jb21tdW5pdHkuYXRsYXNzaWFuLm5ldC93aWtpL3NwYWNlcy9hdGxhcmdlL292ZXJ2aWV3&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* (ALAC) will host a session '*Core Internet Values: Evolution and Challenges for ICANN <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=fb989989fe1a854255a589bb5916dcc302a5488b8878adba8f106aa928963f78&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=dc9eb99f7b140589978766f641205624&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9pY2FubjgyLnNjaGVkLmNvbS9ldmVudC8xdnBadw=&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>*"\' at the *ICANN 82 Community Forum <http://isoc.live/?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=0f2f867f575e890d4a79a3f1e48c68a3681f826dba1f98d69ed1c80281571ded&blog_id=151329629&post_id=18984&user_id=2239291&subs_id=125336&signature=993a38a4c7f92ec280e161e15bd36209&email_name=new-post&user_email=joly@punkcast.com&encoded_url=aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWV0aW5ncy5pY2Fubi5vcmcvZW4vbWVldGluZ3MvaWNhbm44Mi8&email_id=efc6e2fdbc370bcf67902dbc42afb9b0>* in Seattle, Washington.
The concept of core Internet values has been a cornerstone of the Internet’s architecture. However, with seismic shifts in technology, governance models, and geopolitical dynamics, these values require adjustment to remain relevant in today’s rapidly evolving environment. This session will examine how such adjustments could affect ICANN’s remit and mission. It will explore the balance between preserving foundational principles and adapting to emerging realities, leveraging insights from technological, governance, and geopolitical trends, alongside ICANN’s operational experience. The discussion will identify necessary changes, their implications for ICANN, and strategies to address these challenges while upholding its core purpose.
*PANEL* *Vinton Cerf* - Chief Internet Evangelist, Google *Tripti Sinha* - Chair, ICANN Board of Directors *Olivier Crépin-Leblond* - Chair, Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values *Preetam Maloor* - Head, Emerging Technologies Division, ITU
*INTERVENTIONS* *Adiel Akplogan - *VP, Technical Engagement, ICANN *Olga Cavalli* - Associate Professor, University of Buenos Aires *James Galvin* - SSAC Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *David Lawrence* - IETF Liaison, ICANN Board of Directors *Jennifer Chung* - Vice President, Policy, DotAsia Organisation *Tijani BenJemaa* - Executivr Director, Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
*MODERATORS* *Pari Esfandiari* – At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) *Alejandro Pisanty* - Professor, National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM)
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