Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian
Dear all, I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary: In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider prioritizing certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community. What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations. I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I cant see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian
Dear Lise, you are right in principle, but in reality - as it was told several times and it was based on AoC wording, the Board (and/or the GAC or the staff) is not legally obliged to follow all recomendations. Maybe the prioritization is not a bad idea then. Thank you for understanding, Rgds, Michael 2013/10/15 Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk>
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In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider “prioritizing” certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community.**
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What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations.****
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I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I can’t see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented.****
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Larisa,****
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Dear Michael, I agree that board is not obliged to implement all recommendations, but why legitimize that they skip some of them? I still think by prioritizing we are making A and B recommendations certainly if we dont reason more about what is meant with the prioritizing. Best, Lise Fra: Michael Yakushev [mailto:m.yakushev@gmail.com] Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:59 Til: Lise Fuhr Cc: Brian Cute; Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen; ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Master with edits Dear Lise, you are right in principle, but in reality - as it was told several times and it was based on AoC wording, the Board (and/or the GAC or the staff) is not legally obliged to follow all recomendations. Maybe the prioritization is not a bad idea then. Thank you for understanding, Rgds, Michael 2013/10/15 Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk> Dear all, I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary: In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider prioritizing certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community. What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations. I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I cant see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2
Lisa, I consider prioritizing a very wrong decision. I would have prefered that we had not said this, but I can live with the words in this draft report, because it only says we will CONSIDER doing it. This was a suggestion made by Mr Zhang. At 15/10/2013 03:34 PM, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Dear all,
I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary:
In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider prioritizing certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community.
What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations.
I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I cant see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented.
Best, Lise
Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits
Larisa,
Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions.
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Hi, I am also inclined against the idea of prioritizing, But we have committed to the exercise base don Mr. Zhang's recommendation. Be interesting to see if we can do it, but while I think we were able to be collegial in agreeing to supporting concerns that may have been more important to one group than another, I am curious to what extent we will be able to say that one recommendation is more important than another. If at the end of day, after a genuine attempt to meet Mr, Zhang's request we find we can't prioritize, I don't think it will be a problem to explain this in the finalreport. avri On 15 Oct 2013, at 16:06, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Lisa, I consider prioritizing a very wrong decision. I would have prefered that we had not said this, but I can live with the words in this draft report, because it only says we will CONSIDER doing it. This was a suggestion made by Mr Zhang.
At 15/10/2013 03:34 PM, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Dear all,
I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary:
In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider “prioritizing” certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community.
What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations.
I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I can’t see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented.
Best, Lise
Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits
Larisa,
Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions.
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I think that this will be a dynamic process, including the prioritization. Let's see how this will evolve, but is a way to go forward from where we are now. best demi On 10/15/2013 05:30 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I am also inclined against the idea of prioritizing, But we have committed to the exercise base don Mr. Zhang's recommendation.
Be interesting to see if we can do it, but while I think we were able to be collegial in agreeing to supporting concerns that may have been more important to one group than another, I am curious to what extent we will be able to say that one recommendation is more important than another.
If at the end of day, after a genuine attempt to meet Mr, Zhang's request we find we can't prioritize, I don't think it will be a problem to explain this in the finalreport.
avri
On 15 Oct 2013, at 16:06, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Lisa, I consider prioritizing a very wrong decision. I would have prefered that we had not said this, but I can live with the words in this draft report, because it only says we will CONSIDER doing it. This was a suggestion made by Mr Zhang.
At 15/10/2013 03:34 PM, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Dear all,
I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary:
In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider “prioritizing” certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community.
What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations.
I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I can’t see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented.
Best, Lise
Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits
Larisa,
Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions.
Brian _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2
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I can see that from the transcript - but the section seems very definitive in the prioritizing without any further explanation of the status of non-prioritized recommendations. Now I have raised my concern good night from DK. Best, Lise Fra: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 22:07 Til: Lise Fuhr; 'Brian Cute'; 'Larisa B. Gurnick'; 'Charla Shambley'; 'Alice Jansen' Cc: atrt2@icann.org Emne: Re: [atrt2] Master with edits Lisa, I consider prioritizing a very wrong decision. I would have prefered that we had not said this, but I can live with the words in this draft report, because it only says we will CONSIDER doing it. This was a suggestion made by Mr Zhang. At 15/10/2013 03:34 PM, Lise Fuhr wrote: Dear all, I am not at all happy about the last section of our executive summary: In the Final Report, ATRT2 will consider prioritizing certain Recommendations based on their respective importance. ATRT2 considers Recommendations relating to the Board, GAC, Metrics and Multilingualism to be priority Recommendations. ATRT2 welcomes feedback on prioritization of proposed Recommendations from the Community. What will this prioritizing mean? That the board should implement these recommendations first. Or the board can choose not to implement the other recommendations because they are not prioritized? I thought that giving a time-frame for implementing would give the idea of the urgency of the different recommendations. I know it was briefly discussed at the conference call October 1 but I cant see final decision on the issue. I find that the implications of prioritizing is not clear in our report and would recommend that we write more explicit what we mean by prioritizing and that we expect that all the recommendations is to be implemented. Best, Lise Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org <mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org> ] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 15. oktober 2013 21:08 Til: Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Emne: [atrt2] Master with edits Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2
Dear Brian, I note there's still a mix of "The ATRT2" and "ATRT2". Not sure if this will be cleaned up at final typo/staff edit? Kind regards, Olivier On 15/10/2013 21:07, Brian Cute wrote:
Larisa,
Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions.
Brian
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I think on the scale of other things that really need to be fixed before the report can go out, this one would be way down on my priority list... But good to note for the next go around. Alan At 15/10/2013 05:04 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Brian,
I note there's still a mix of "The ATRT2" and "ATRT2". Not sure if this will be cleaned up at final typo/staff edit? Kind regards,
Olivier
On 15/10/2013 21:07, Brian Cute wrote:
Larisa,
Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions.
Brian
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Olivier, Various editing and formatting clean-up efforts will take place prior to the issuance of the final report in December. The draft report has been submitted for translation now and any new edits from this point forward will be captured in the Final Report. Thank you, Larisa From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl@gih.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:04 PM To: Brian Cute; Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Subject: Re: [atrt2] Master with edits Dear Brian, I note there's still a mix of "The ATRT2" and "ATRT2". Not sure if this will be cleaned up at final typo/staff edit? Kind regards, Olivier On 15/10/2013 21:07, Brian Cute wrote: Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2 -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
Dear ATRT2, Attached is the finalized Draft Report, without Appendices. All Appendices will be incorporated in the PDF version that will be posted for public comment. I will update you on the posting schedule, including translations shortly. Larisa From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Larisa B. Gurnick Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:37 PM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Brian Cute; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org (atrt2@icann.org) Subject: Re: [atrt2] Master with edits Olivier, Various editing and formatting clean-up efforts will take place prior to the issuance of the final report in December. The draft report has been submitted for translation now and any new edits from this point forward will be captured in the Final Report. Thank you, Larisa From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl@gih.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:04 PM To: Brian Cute; Larisa B. Gurnick; Charla Shambley; Alice Jansen Cc: atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> (atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org>) Subject: Re: [atrt2] Master with edits Dear Brian, I note there's still a mix of "The ATRT2" and "ATRT2". Not sure if this will be cleaned up at final typo/staff edit? Kind regards, Olivier On 15/10/2013 21:07, Brian Cute wrote: Larisa, Here is the updated version. Have not changed all the numbering. Call me if you questions. Brian _______________________________________________ atrt2 mailing list atrt2@icann.org<mailto:atrt2@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt2 -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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Alan Greenberg -
Avri Doria -
Brian Cute -
Demi Getschko -
Larisa B. Gurnick -
Lise Fuhr -
Michael Yakushev -
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond