Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose. Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez SUTEL, Costa Rica +506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction. On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process. Regards, Brian On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Hi all, I can also vote for the drafted agenda - it is good to have a structured basis for our discussions next week. I think it makes sense to look at the recommendations of the first ATRT and how they are implemented, but I also hope that we will broaden the scope to be focused at the ICANN community in general and not primarily the board - GAC discussion. We will have time to discuss this under the AoC mandate discussion, and I am looking forward to having these conversations face-to-face. I hope that we can arrange the informal dinner Wednesday evening as someone suggested. Can we meet in the hotel lobby at 7 pm - or is there another plan already? Best, Lise -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 9. marts 2013 13:35 Til: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction. On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process. Regards, Brian On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Hi, I am with you on thinking we need to focus on the larger ICANN Community issues. Though I do not think we can divorce that from Board and GAC actions completely. But the focus should be on the complex mix of stakeholder roles and repsonsiblities, not the bilateral relationship that was such a large part of the previous review. The agenda looks fine to me too. It wasn't clear to me on which St Staff we would be talking to other than Fadi. How many Sr. Staff will be sitting in on the meeting? Will there be a On-Duty Sr. Staff member available for question answering as needed? Avri On 10 Mar 2013, at 11:45, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Hi all,
I can also vote for the drafted agenda - it is good to have a structured basis for our discussions next week.
I think it makes sense to look at the recommendations of the first ATRT and how they are implemented, but I also hope that we will broaden the scope to be focused at the ICANN community in general and not primarily the board - GAC discussion. We will have time to discuss this under the AoC mandate discussion, and I am looking forward to having these conversations face-to-face.
I hope that we can arrange the informal dinner Wednesday evening as someone suggested. Can we meet in the hotel lobby at 7 pm - or is there another plan already?
Best, Lise
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 9. marts 2013 13:35 Til: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction.
On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process.
Regards, Brian
On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Avri, Which senior staff would you like present, or what issues would like to have relevant people on hand to address? Steve On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am with you on thinking we need to focus on the larger ICANN Community issues. Though I do not think we can divorce that from Board and GAC actions completely. But the focus should be on the complex mix of stakeholder roles and repsonsiblities, not the bilateral relationship that was such a large part of the previous review.
The agenda looks fine to me too. It wasn't clear to me on which St Staff we would be talking to other than Fadi. How many Sr. Staff will be sitting in on the meeting? Will there be a On-Duty Sr. Staff member available for question answering as needed?
Avri
On 10 Mar 2013, at 11:45, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Hi all,
I can also vote for the drafted agenda - it is good to have a structured basis for our discussions next week.
I think it makes sense to look at the recommendations of the first ATRT and how they are implemented, but I also hope that we will broaden the scope to be focused at the ICANN community in general and not primarily the board - GAC discussion. We will have time to discuss this under the AoC mandate discussion, and I am looking forward to having these conversations face-to-face.
I hope that we can arrange the informal dinner Wednesday evening as someone suggested. Can we meet in the hotel lobby at 7 pm - or is there another plan already?
Best, Lise
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 9. marts 2013 13:35 Til: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction.
On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process.
Regards, Brian
On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Hi Steve, Thanks for the question. I guess it would be any who are still left who had a hand in implementing the changes recommended by ATRT1. Who fits that description is something I do not know the answer to. Does the staff have an organized effort for implementation of ATRT recommendations? Is there a staff person whose job it is to make sure that the ATRT accountability and transparency recommendations are met? Or does it happen organically, in so far as it may or may not happen? Is there a committee? What is the internal process for meeting these obligations? I do not know the answers to these questions. Perhaps it is because I have not read the right document yet, or perhaps it is because that is a degree of transparency that is still missing. But it is the reason that I would not know who to specifically invite. Is there a report that summarize (bullets would be good) all the actions the Staff has taken to date? I have not read that doc yet. I know there have been some periodic reports, but something that we are to use as input? Forgive me if I overlooked it in study preparing for this meeting. If someone gives me a pointer that that, I will read it immediately - and perhaps get a clue on who should be there. thanks avri On 11 Mar 2013, at 07:33, Steve Crocker wrote:
Avri,
Which senior staff would you like present, or what issues would like to have relevant people on hand to address?
Steve
On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am with you on thinking we need to focus on the larger ICANN Community issues. Though I do not think we can divorce that from Board and GAC actions completely. But the focus should be on the complex mix of stakeholder roles and repsonsiblities, not the bilateral relationship that was such a large part of the previous review.
The agenda looks fine to me too. It wasn't clear to me on which St Staff we would be talking to other than Fadi. How many Sr. Staff will be sitting in on the meeting? Will there be a On-Duty Sr. Staff member available for question answering as needed?
Avri
On 10 Mar 2013, at 11:45, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Hi all,
I can also vote for the drafted agenda - it is good to have a structured basis for our discussions next week.
I think it makes sense to look at the recommendations of the first ATRT and how they are implemented, but I also hope that we will broaden the scope to be focused at the ICANN community in general and not primarily the board - GAC discussion. We will have time to discuss this under the AoC mandate discussion, and I am looking forward to having these conversations face-to-face.
I hope that we can arrange the informal dinner Wednesday evening as someone suggested. Can we meet in the hotel lobby at 7 pm - or is there another plan already?
Best, Lise
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 9. marts 2013 13:35 Til: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction.
On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process.
Regards, Brian
On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the question.
I guess it would be any who are still left who had a hand in implementing the changes recommended by ATRT1. Who fits that description is something I do not know the answer to.
Does the staff have an organized effort for implementation of ATRT recommendations? Is there a staff person whose job it is to make sure that the ATRT accountability and transparency recommendations are met? Or does it happen organically, in so far as it may or may not happen? Is there a committee? What is the internal process for meeting these obligations?
I do not know the answers to these questions. Perhaps it is because I have not read the right document yet, or perhaps it is because that is a degree of transparency that is still missing. But it is the reason that I would not know who to specifically invite.
Is there a report that summarize (bullets would be good) all the actions the Staff has taken to date? I have not read that doc yet. I know there have been some periodic reports, but something that we are to use as input? Forgive me if I overlooked it in study preparing for this meeting. If someone gives me a pointer that that, I will read it immediately - and perhaps get a clue on who should be there.
thanks
avri
Avri, There's a web page that has the full background and current status of the ATRT1 effort. See http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability . The key report, easily accessible on that page, is the 2012 implementation report. I've attached it here for ease of reference. The last part of that report is an itemized breakdown of the implementation status. This portion of the report is also available as a separate file, also accessible from the same web page. It's designated as a summary. Denise Michel has been in charge of the overall tracking of the implementation of the 27 recommendations from the ATRT1. I believe she will be in attendance during our session in Los Angeles. The 27 recommendations cover several different areas, and different people have been in charge of the different areas. I'll let Denise supply further information. Until Fadi came on board, I made a point of tracking the implementation progress for the ATRT1 recommendations. When Fadi came on board, he chose to make it one of his priorities to get the recommendations fully implemented and immediately took an active role in tracking and pushing on them, so I stepped back. Both Larry Strickling and I have spoken about how to ensure the implementation of those recommendations become effective and permanent. Larry's formulation is, as best I can recall, "If I talk to someone a year later, will they be able to say what they are doing differently." My formulation is aimed at the same point but couched differently. I want to see those changes so thoroughly integrated that after a few years no one distinguishes between what we do because of the ATRT1 recommendations versus what we do as part of our normal way of doing business. Speaking as Board chair, I am pleased with the staff's effort to implement the recommendations. Speaking as a member of ATRT2, I think it is entirely appropriate for the new review team to make its own assessment on the implementation of the recommendations of the prior review team. Steve
On 11 Mar 2013, at 07:33, Steve Crocker wrote:
Avri,
Which senior staff would you like present, or what issues would like to have relevant people on hand to address?
Steve
On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I am with you on thinking we need to focus on the larger ICANN Community issues. Though I do not think we can divorce that from Board and GAC actions completely. But the focus should be on the complex mix of stakeholder roles and repsonsiblities, not the bilateral relationship that was such a large part of the previous review.
The agenda looks fine to me too. It wasn't clear to me on which St Staff we would be talking to other than Fadi. How many Sr. Staff will be sitting in on the meeting? Will there be a On-Duty Sr. Staff member available for question answering as needed?
Avri
On 10 Mar 2013, at 11:45, Lise Fuhr wrote:
Hi all,
I can also vote for the drafted agenda - it is good to have a structured basis for our discussions next week.
I think it makes sense to look at the recommendations of the first ATRT and how they are implemented, but I also hope that we will broaden the scope to be focused at the ICANN community in general and not primarily the board - GAC discussion. We will have time to discuss this under the AoC mandate discussion, and I am looking forward to having these conversations face-to-face.
I hope that we can arrange the informal dinner Wednesday evening as someone suggested. Can we meet in the hotel lobby at 7 pm - or is there another plan already?
Best, Lise
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] På vegne af Brian Cute Sendt: 9. marts 2013 13:35 Til: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Emne: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction.
On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process.
Regards, Brian
On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
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El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Hi, For some reason I had been relying on the ATRT documents I had collected, and had not checked out the page. Thank you for the pointer.
From the look of the 2012 report it looks like much of this rested with Legal. So probably having someone from Legal available would be a good thing.
It is good to hear that Denise will be available. Thanks avri On 11 Mar 2013, at 09:20, Steve Crocker wrote: ...
Avri,
There's a web page that has the full background and current status of the ATRT1 effort. See http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability . The key report, easily accessible on that page, is the 2012 implementation report. I've attached it here for ease of reference. The last part of that report is an itemized breakdown of the implementation status. This portion of the report is also available as a separate file, also accessible from the same web page. It's designated as a summary.
Denise Michel has been in charge of the overall tracking of the implementation of the 27 recommendations from the ATRT1. I believe she will be in attendance during our session in Los Angeles. The 27 recommendations cover several different areas, and different people have been in charge of the different areas. I'll let Denise supply further information.
Until Fadi came on board, I made a point of tracking the implementation progress for the ATRT1 recommendations. When Fadi came on board, he chose to make it one of his priorities to get the recommendations fully implemented and immediately took an active role in tracking and pushing on them, so I stepped back.
Both Larry Strickling and I have spoken about how to ensure the implementation of those recommendations become effective and permanent. Larry's formulation is, as best I can recall, "If I talk to someone a year later, will they be able to say what they are doing differently." My formulation is aimed at the same point but couched differently. I want to see those changes so thoroughly integrated that after a few years no one distinguishes between what we do because of the ATRT1 recommendations versus what we do as part of our normal way of doing business.
Speaking as Board chair, I am pleased with the staff's effort to implement the recommendations. Speaking as a member of ATRT2, I think it is entirely appropriate for the new review team to make its own assessment on the implementation of the recommendations of the prior review team.
Steve
I think we need a little more rigor and preparation by ICANN for these discussions this week and I question whether we can get all of the discussion of the previous review teams done in one day. I recommend that ICANN staff prepare presentations on the implementation of each of the recommendations from the three review teams that have completed their work. For each recommendation, I would like to hear from the person primarily responsible for the implementation of the recommendation and have the person address each of the following questions: What did s/he understand the recommendation to be? What did s/he understand the underlying issue to be that led to the recommendation? How did s/he implement the recommendation? What options were considered and how was the actual option chosen for implementation? Does s/he believe ICANN fully implemented the recommendation? If not, why not? Did s/he run into any new or unforeseen problems or issues while implementing the recommendation? What has been the feedback both inside ICANN and external to ICANN as a result of the implementation of the recommendation? How does s/he feel that ICANN has improved as a result of the implementation of the recommendation? I realize that ICANN staff will need to prepare in order to conduct this briefing for us so I urge us to agree on this or some similar approach today so that the necessary preparation can be done. But absent this level of detail, I fear we will not use our time in Los Angeles as productively as we need to given the schedule we have to complete this review by the end of the year. If we need to move some of this discussion into Thursday, then we should do so, even though Fadi will not be available until Friday. Larry Strickling -----Original Message----- From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cute Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:35 AM To: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Subject: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction. On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process. Regards, Brian On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Larry, Thanks. I will pass this along to Fadi and staff. Steve On Mar 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Larry Strickling <LStrickling@ntia.doc.gov> wrote:
I think we need a little more rigor and preparation by ICANN for these discussions this week and I question whether we can get all of the discussion of the previous review teams done in one day. I recommend that ICANN staff prepare presentations on the implementation of each of the recommendations from the three review teams that have completed their work. For each recommendation, I would like to hear from the person primarily responsible for the implementation of the recommendation and have the person address each of the following questions:
What did s/he understand the recommendation to be? What did s/he understand the underlying issue to be that led to the recommendation? How did s/he implement the recommendation? What options were considered and how was the actual option chosen for implementation? Does s/he believe ICANN fully implemented the recommendation? If not, why not? Did s/he run into any new or unforeseen problems or issues while implementing the recommendation? What has been the feedback both inside ICANN and external to ICANN as a result of the implementation of the recommendation? How does s/he feel that ICANN has improved as a result of the implementation of the recommendation?
I realize that ICANN staff will need to prepare in order to conduct this briefing for us so I urge us to agree on this or some similar approach today so that the necessary preparation can be done. But absent this level of detail, I fear we will not use our time in Los Angeles as productively as we need to given the schedule we have to complete this review by the end of the year. If we need to move some of this discussion into Thursday, then we should do so, even though Fadi will not be available until Friday.
Larry Strickling
-----Original Message----- From: atrt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cute Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:35 AM To: Carlos Raúl G.; Steve Crocker Cc: ATRT2 Subject: Re: [atrt2] Draft agenda for first ATRT2 face to face meeting
Looks pretty good Steve and thanks to staff for putting together a proposed agenda. To elaborate on a couple of prior points, the morning session on Day 2 will be important to hear the observations and perspectives of senior ICANN staff with respect to the Affirmation of Commitment (AoC) review processes and the level of assimilation of Accountability and Transparency under the AoC across the organization. Since ATRT2 members have not put forward specific "asks" of ICANN staff for the first face-to-face meeting, and to allow adequate time for preparation by ICANN staff, I would think that an overview of prior AoC review team processes and a stocktaking of implementation by ICANN of those review teams' recommendations would be in order. Adequate time for Q&A by ATRT2 members and with senior ICANN staff would also be appropriate. I mentioned that the CEO, COO, General Counsel and Head of Policy attended the ATRT1 first face-to-face meeting. It seems to me that this level of representation and any other that you or Fadi felt appropriate would be useful. This is my view only and I ask for other ATRT2 member views on the agenda as well. In fairness, we should give ICANN staff any additional guidance (and sufficient time to prepare) for next week's interaction.
On another point, I also share Avri's view that ICANN staff's inputs cannot "set" the mission of ATRT2. The mission of ATRT2 is set by the Affirmation of Commitments and ATRT2 needs to independently agree to the terms of reference and methodologies of its work using the AoC as its guide. The legitimacy of ATRT2's work and work product will be judged, in part, by its ability to act with autonomy and objectivity in its review. Of course, this means we will have to do our own analysis of the prior review team processes and implementation of recommendations by ICANN. ATRT2's work is clearly different from ATRT1 since ATRT1 was the first review under the AoC and we were sailing off into unchartered waters. ATRT2's work, to a large degree, will focus on the results of prior reviews and will take a measure of ICANN's progress on Accountability and Transparency as a result of prior review team work and implementation efforts. As such, hearing from senior ICANN staff and Fadi is a critical input to ATRT2s work at the outset of our process.
Regards, Brian
On 3/8/13 4:46 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
I vote for this candidate! and wish you all a nice weekend while I jump into my flight to San Jose.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
SUTEL, Costa Rica
+506 4000 0010 Oficina +506 8335 2487 Móvil +506 2215 6821 Fax
El 08/03/2013, a las 16:35, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> escribió:
Folks,
Here's a candidate agenda for our meeting next week.
Steve
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Steve Crocker