Dear Team, Looking at the current situation, Vanda has explicitly explained the situation, for the radical changes I believe they have clearly been stated in the report. The questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus group will shape the discussion or dialogue that we shall be having. Illustrations have been made and explicitly been documented and where clarity is needed, explanations will be made. @Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> , when the situation arises, the explanation that you have given here can be brought up. So we already have solutions. Daniel On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 17:08, < atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:07:49 +0000 From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Message-ID: <AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
HI Cheryl, Can do, but may use too much time. But to have a better organization, better you or Pat to flag me and I will do, in order to not disrupt the meeting. We have too many question to answer and I do not know how long they plan to stay with us?
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From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Monday, September 7, 2020 at 17:30 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org" < atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
Well said Vanda and I would encourage you to say it again in the call...
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 06:12 Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto: vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Dear friends
Even not requested to comment the questions made by the Board caucus group I would like to remember the response from Leon to the minority report regarding Reviews:
?that there are significant differences between the recommendations that we are including in the final report and what was commented by the community. So this might be an issue at the time the board considers the report, and what I'm hearing is that there is some desire to further engage with the community so that
ICANN | Third Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT3) Report | May 2020 | 333
they are able to comment on these recommendations since, again, they seem to be significantly different from those in which they were able to comment during the public comment period. So I just want to flag this because it might be an issue when time comes for the board to consider these recommendation. And I don't know if this calls for any public comment as Daniel is signaling, but certainly, there needs to be some sort of engagement with the community so that they are updated on these changes and they are able maybe to comment on this, or at least be aware of these differences, and then the board is able to consider rightfully these recommendations.? We note for accuracy and completeness that Le?n S?nchez further explained (at page 61 of the transcript) that his ?flagging this issue does not equate to me requesting or pushing for another public comment period, just to be clear.?
From my view, I remember give all the time to our colleagues inside ATRT3 to explain the reasons the group they represent, and in this regard I do not see lack of opportunity to debate and take it back to their communities.
For the other side, I believe we had the expectation, not possible indeed, to have more interaction with the community, time to explain each point better etc. The one year time, we were under, give us few opportunity to get more feedback or even enough time to better explaining our proposal to each community, especially those better served by the current situation ,then more opposed to changes. In my opinion it shall be consider, after the conclusion and ( we expect) end of the pandemic situation, before any position against it, give some opportunity to this interaction with groups, since in my view what they were most afraid of was the expectation of doing the full work alone. However, our proposals do allow the use of external consultants?
Our proposal is a radical change no question on this. But we all agreed there are huge dissatisfaction with the current solution on reviews among the AC/SO, demanding too much time from the community, with not enough good experiences and certainly high cost to ICANN.org. Normally changes on the process anyone is used to is hard to be accepted by all. But we have understood and the proposal itself offers a solution for the questions raised. Explain directly to those groups will be the real solution IMO. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds < atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org>> Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 09:33 To: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" < atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Cc: Leon Sanchez <leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto: leon.sanchez@board.icann.org>> Subject: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
Dear ATRT3 implementation shepherds,
I hope this email finds you all well. Attached, please find questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus Group, intended to help focus the discussion during your joint meeting on Tuesday, 8 September at 13:00 UTC. Written responses are not requested.
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Hello all. Just got back in town and have had a look through the questions. I find it difficult to address many of these questions on such short notice and the answers may be, hadn’t thought about that much and we will have to get back to you. As Sebastien has suggested, I think that it would be beneficial for us to have a pre-call for the team so as to have a team view on these questions when discussing. It may not be possible. I will be there. Pat Patrick Kane Senior Vice President Verisign Naming and Directory Services PKane@Verisign.com t: 703.948.3349 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> The Manifesto of Done – Laugh at perfection. It’s boring and keeps you from being done. <file:///C:/Users/pkane/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/Signatures/logo.gif> From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of DANIEL NANGHAKA Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:24 PM To: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org; Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Dear Team, Looking at the current situation, Vanda has explicitly explained the situation, for the radical changes I believe they have clearly been stated in the report. The questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus group will shape the discussion or dialogue that we shall be having. Illustrations have been made and explicitly been documented and where clarity is needed, explanations will be made. @Vanda Scartezini<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> , when the situation arises, the explanation that you have given here can be brought up. So we already have solutions. Daniel On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 17:08, <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org>> wrote: Send ATRT3-implementation-shepherds mailing list submissions to atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt3-implementation-shepherds<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dcxCvB5uJXOL9_vXU3hvPEsKIn_odSDLuTfkVq6jZDkNp-WqVQ27JcSjDupjsWitZKeDGJ1LYtZ0DurjsmZAfdVj-AFgFhzsZHnSadnV_2p7kQ6gyXlazURAZGoizzZwH4O2wNmX5N56cA63i1rJ5ydvMkuwkmzWRpyDWsC2DSdFDXb3fQICucjXtgfTohqK4ey7Cjdb-Db_Qg2jhIxOh98aFQ1yoIQ9j5FtI4YhK3dZYjdbAycXSvGgHav4N2lnqZkFltuM2XsUPHWbFObeLw/https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fatrt3-implementation-shepherds> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at atrt3-implementation-shepherds-owner@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-owner@icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ATRT3-implementation-shepherds digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group (Vanda Scartezini) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:07:49 +0000 From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Message-ID: <AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org<mailto:AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" HI Cheryl, Can do, but may use too much time. But to have a better organization, better you or Pat to flag me and I will do, in order to not disrupt the meeting. We have too many question to answer and I do not know how long they plan to stay with us? Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, September 7, 2020 at 17:30 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Well said Vanda and I would encourage you to say it again in the call... On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 06:12 Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org><mailto:vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>>> wrote: Dear friends Even not requested to comment the questions made by the Board caucus group I would like to remember the response from Leon to the minority report regarding Reviews: ?that there are significant differences between the recommendations that we are including in the final report and what was commented by the community. So this might be an issue at the time the board considers the report, and what I'm hearing is that there is some desire to further engage with the community so that ICANN | Third Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT3) Report | May 2020 | 333 they are able to comment on these recommendations since, again, they seem to be significantly different from those in which they were able to comment during the public comment period. So I just want to flag this because it might be an issue when time comes for the board to consider these recommendation. And I don't know if this calls for any public comment as Daniel is signaling, but certainly, there needs to be some sort of engagement with the community so that they are updated on these changes and they are able maybe to comment on this, or at least be aware of these differences, and then the board is able to consider rightfully these recommendations.? We note for accuracy and completeness that Le?n S?nchez further explained (at page 61 of the transcript) that his ?flagging this issue does not equate to me requesting or pushing for another public comment period, just to be clear.? From my view, I remember give all the time to our colleagues inside ATRT3 to explain the reasons the group they represent, and in this regard I do not see lack of opportunity to debate and take it back to their communities. For the other side, I believe we had the expectation, not possible indeed, to have more interaction with the community, time to explain each point better etc. The one year time, we were under, give us few opportunity to get more feedback or even enough time to better explaining our proposal to each community, especially those better served by the current situation ,then more opposed to changes. In my opinion it shall be consider, after the conclusion and ( we expect) end of the pandemic situation, before any position against it, give some opportunity to this interaction with groups, since in my view what they were most afraid of was the expectation of doing the full work alone. However, our proposals do allow the use of external consultants? Our proposal is a radical change no question on this. But we all agreed there are huge dissatisfaction with the current solution on reviews among the AC/SO, demanding too much time from the community, with not enough good experiences and certainly high cost to ICANN.org. Normally changes on the process anyone is used to is hard to be accepted by all. But we have understood and the proposal itself offers a solution for the questions raised. Explain directly to those groups will be the real solution IMO. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org>>> on behalf of Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org><mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org>>> Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 09:33 To: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>>> Cc: Leon Sanchez <leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org><mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org>>> Subject: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Dear ATRT3 implementation shepherds, I hope this email finds you all well. 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I doubt this will be the only interaction opportunity we have on all this let's not tend to overengineer our responses... but rather work *from* the excellent report we have put together, then move along these other issues (or not ;-) <https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb> Cheryl Langdon-Orr about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 12:08, Kane, Pat via ATRT3-implementation-shepherds < atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> wrote:
Hello all.
Just got back in town and have had a look through the questions. I find it difficult to address many of these questions on such short notice and the answers may be, hadn’t thought about that much and we will have to get back to you. As Sebastien has suggested, I think that it would be beneficial for us to have a pre-call for the team so as to have a team view on these questions when discussing.
It may not be possible. I will be there.
Pat
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*From:* ATRT3-implementation-shepherds < atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *DANIEL NANGHAKA *Sent:* Monday, September 07, 2020 5:24 PM *To:* atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org; Vanda Scartezini < vanda@scartezini.org> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
Dear Team,
Looking at the current situation, Vanda has explicitly explained the situation, for the radical changes I believe they have clearly been stated in the report.
The questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus group will shape the discussion or dialogue that we shall be having.
Illustrations have been made and explicitly been documented and where clarity is needed, explanations will be made.
@Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> , when the situation arises, the explanation that you have given here can be brought up.
So we already have solutions.
Daniel
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:07:49 +0000 From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Message-ID: <AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
HI Cheryl, Can do, but may use too much time. But to have a better organization, better you or Pat to flag me and I will do, in order to not disrupt the meeting. We have too many question to answer and I do not know how long they plan to stay with us?
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From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Monday, September 7, 2020 at 17:30 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org" < atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
Well said Vanda and I would encourage you to say it again in the call...
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 06:12 Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto: vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Dear friends
Even not requested to comment the questions made by the Board caucus group I would like to remember the response from Leon to the minority report regarding Reviews:
?that there are significant differences between the recommendations that we are including in the final report and what was commented by the community. So this might be an issue at the time the board considers the report, and what I'm hearing is that there is some desire to further engage with the community so that
ICANN | Third Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT3) Report | May 2020 | 333
they are able to comment on these recommendations since, again, they seem to be significantly different from those in which they were able to comment during the public comment period. So I just want to flag this because it might be an issue when time comes for the board to consider these recommendation. And I don't know if this calls for any public comment as Daniel is signaling, but certainly, there needs to be some sort of engagement with the community so that they are updated on these changes and they are able maybe to comment on this, or at least be aware of these differences, and then the board is able to consider rightfully these recommendations.? We note for accuracy and completeness that Le?n S?nchez further explained (at page 61 of the transcript) that his ?flagging this issue does not equate to me requesting or pushing for another public comment period, just to be clear.?
From my view, I remember give all the time to our colleagues inside ATRT3 to explain the reasons the group they represent, and in this regard I do not see lack of opportunity to debate and take it back to their communities.
For the other side, I believe we had the expectation, not possible indeed, to have more interaction with the community, time to explain each point better etc. The one year time, we were under, give us few opportunity to get more feedback or even enough time to better explaining our proposal to each community, especially those better served by the current situation ,then more opposed to changes. In my opinion it shall be consider, after the conclusion and ( we expect) end of the pandemic situation, before any position against it, give some opportunity to this interaction with groups, since in my view what they were most afraid of was the expectation of doing the full work alone. However, our proposals do allow the use of external consultants?
Our proposal is a radical change no question on this. But we all agreed there are huge dissatisfaction with the current solution on reviews among the AC/SO, demanding too much time from the community, with not enough good experiences and certainly high cost to ICANN.org. Normally changes on the process anyone is used to is hard to be accepted by all. But we have understood and the proposal itself offers a solution for the questions raised. Explain directly to those groups will be the real solution IMO. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds < atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org>> Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 09:33 To: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" < atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Cc: Leon Sanchez <leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto: leon.sanchez@board.icann.org>> Subject: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
Dear ATRT3 implementation shepherds,
I hope this email finds you all well. Attached, please find questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus Group, intended to help focus the discussion during your joint meeting on Tuesday, 8 September at 13:00 UTC. Written responses are not requested.
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From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 01:57 To: Patrick KANE <pkane@verisign.com> Cc: "dndannang@gmail.com" <dndannang@gmail.com>, "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group I doubt this will be the only interaction opportunity we have on all this let's not tend to overengineer our responses... but rather work *from* the excellent report we have put together, then move along these other issues (or not ;-) [https://thumbs.about.me/thumbnail/users/c/h/e/cheryl.langdonorr_emailsig.jpg?_1325540751_01]<https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb> Cheryl Langdon-Orr about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 12:08, Kane, Pat via ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> wrote: Hello all. Just got back in town and have had a look through the questions. I find it difficult to address many of these questions on such short notice and the answers may be, hadn’t thought about that much and we will have to get back to you. As Sebastien has suggested, I think that it would be beneficial for us to have a pre-call for the team so as to have a team view on these questions when discussing. It may not be possible. I will be there. Pat Patrick Kane Senior Vice President Verisign Naming and Directory Services PKane@Verisign.com t: 703.948.3349 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> The Manifesto of Done – Laugh at perfection. It’s boring and keeps you from being done. [Verisign™] From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of DANIEL NANGHAKA Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:24 PM To: atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>; Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Dear Team, Looking at the current situation, Vanda has explicitly explained the situation, for the radical changes I believe they have clearly been stated in the report. The questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus group will shape the discussion or dialogue that we shall be having. Illustrations have been made and explicitly been documented and where clarity is needed, explanations will be made. @Vanda Scartezini<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> , when the situation arises, the explanation that you have given here can be brought up. So we already have solutions. Daniel On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 17:08, <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org>> wrote: Send ATRT3-implementation-shepherds mailing list submissions to atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/atrt3-implementation-shepherds<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dcxCvB5uJXOL9_vXU3hvPEsKIn_odSDLuTfkVq6jZDkNp-WqVQ27JcSjDupjsWitZKeDGJ1LYtZ0DurjsmZAfdVj-AFgFhzsZHnSadnV_2p7kQ6gyXlazURAZGoizzZwH4O2wNmX5N56cA63i1rJ5ydvMkuwkmzWRpyDWsC2DSdFDXb3fQICucjXtgfTohqK4ey7Cjdb-Db_Qg2jhIxOh98aFQ1yoIQ9j5FtI4YhK3dZYjdbAycXSvGgHav4N2lnqZkFltuM2XsUPHWbFObeLw/https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fatrt3-implementation-shepherds> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-request@icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at atrt3-implementation-shepherds-owner@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-owner@icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ATRT3-implementation-shepherds digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group (Vanda Scartezini) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:07:49 +0000 From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Message-ID: <AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org<mailto:AE2733F3-F3D7-4FB6-8276-188CC51BB26C@scartezini.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" HI Cheryl, Can do, but may use too much time. But to have a better organization, better you or Pat to flag me and I will do, in order to not disrupt the meeting. We have too many question to answer and I do not know how long they plan to stay with us? Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, September 7, 2020 at 17:30 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Well said Vanda and I would encourage you to say it again in the call... On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 06:12 Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org><mailto:vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>>> wrote: Dear friends Even not requested to comment the questions made by the Board caucus group I would like to remember the response from Leon to the minority report regarding Reviews: ?that there are significant differences between the recommendations that we are including in the final report and what was commented by the community. So this might be an issue at the time the board considers the report, and what I'm hearing is that there is some desire to further engage with the community so that ICANN | Third Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT3) Report | May 2020 | 333 they are able to comment on these recommendations since, again, they seem to be significantly different from those in which they were able to comment during the public comment period. So I just want to flag this because it might be an issue when time comes for the board to consider these recommendation. And I don't know if this calls for any public comment as Daniel is signaling, but certainly, there needs to be some sort of engagement with the community so that they are updated on these changes and they are able maybe to comment on this, or at least be aware of these differences, and then the board is able to consider rightfully these recommendations.? We note for accuracy and completeness that Le?n S?nchez further explained (at page 61 of the transcript) that his ?flagging this issue does not equate to me requesting or pushing for another public comment period, just to be clear.? From my view, I remember give all the time to our colleagues inside ATRT3 to explain the reasons the group they represent, and in this regard I do not see lack of opportunity to debate and take it back to their communities. For the other side, I believe we had the expectation, not possible indeed, to have more interaction with the community, time to explain each point better etc. The one year time, we were under, give us few opportunity to get more feedback or even enough time to better explaining our proposal to each community, especially those better served by the current situation ,then more opposed to changes. In my opinion it shall be consider, after the conclusion and ( we expect) end of the pandemic situation, before any position against it, give some opportunity to this interaction with groups, since in my view what they were most afraid of was the expectation of doing the full work alone. However, our proposals do allow the use of external consultants? Our proposal is a radical change no question on this. But we all agreed there are huge dissatisfaction with the current solution on reviews among the AC/SO, demanding too much time from the community, with not enough good experiences and certainly high cost to ICANN.org. Normally changes on the process anyone is used to is hard to be accepted by all. But we have understood and the proposal itself offers a solution for the questions raised. Explain directly to those groups will be the real solution IMO. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces@icann.org>>> on behalf of Jennifer Bryce <jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org><mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce@icann.org>>> Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 09:33 To: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>>" <atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org><mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org<mailto:atrt3-implementation-shepherds@icann.org>>> Cc: Leon Sanchez <leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org><mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org<mailto:leon.sanchez@board.icann.org>>> Subject: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group Dear ATRT3 implementation shepherds, I hope this email finds you all well. Attached, please find questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus Group, intended to help focus the discussion during your joint meeting on Tuesday, 8 September at 13:00 UTC. Written responses are not requested. The ATRT3 Board Caucus Group is looking forward to the meeting. You can find information on the makeup of the group here<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/board-caucus-membership-2019-06-27-en<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ff48MlUZmUATAz7hVphPWKHdBFV5-2TvbxuQI5Pnzs1h4cu9ZOXRlsGGyPNAMykOkZ8KRvaYAL47ZpddffgylqzUjcstkafHqcaNMsCtGXwVR2NXtSVRyCXNF5BctdJZjbhUVOKPy732ieoxazXzdaLTEDCYqxXmQIFpo32xLjz_Z479BEbH3h5fBcZ24agkRXbKpvg6ROSxiuBfLLZRIcNV6Gz895SS0TaXXy9DnJkJ0FU8q5kuFMrASnsB92QfZoSSoinokb_lfKe1CZu3eA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fresources%2Fpages%2Fboard-caucus-membership-2019-06-27-en>>. 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Vanda Scartezini