Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
Sorry for that. Jetlag. j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) J. Scott, Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version. Thanks, Bill On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear All:
I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill?
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive.
(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com> wrote:
I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space.
The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
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Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> a écrit :
Bill and team:
I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "stephvg@gmail.com" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
+1
Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web.
I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover.
I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter.
If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.
I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database.
Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> a écrit :
It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services.
The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here.
Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions.
--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> wrote: Sorry for that. Jetlag. j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) J. Scott, Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version. Thanks, Bill On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> wrote: Dear All: I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be). As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill? J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>>" <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>; "bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org> list" <bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive. (see my comments within J Scott's comments) Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task. On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> wrote: I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space. The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com<http://www.stephanevangelder.com/> ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant<http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant> LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/<http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/> Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> a écrit : Bill and team: I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: "stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>; "bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org> list" <bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) +1 Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web. I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS. I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover. I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed. On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter. If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model. I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database. Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com<http://www.stephanevangelder.com/> ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant<http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant> LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/<http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/> Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> a écrit : It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services. The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here<https://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report...>. Public comment page is <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-02apr13-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/thick-whois-initial-21jun13-en.h...> here<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/share-24jun13-e...> and the EWG Wiki page is here<https://community.icann.org/display/WG/Explore+the+Draft+Next+Generation+gTL...>. Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper. The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions. -- Steve DelBianco Vice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE3.doc>
Bill: I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not. We have a short timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position. Given that we cannot come to consensus here, I suggest we delete. If PayPal feels confident in these statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry for that. Jetlag.
j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
J. Scott,
Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version.
Thanks,
Bill
On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All:
I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill?
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive.
(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com> wrote:
I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space.
The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> a écrit :
Bill and team:
I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "stephvg@gmail.com" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
+1
Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web.
I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover.
I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter.
If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.
I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database.
Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> a écrit :
It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services.
The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here.
Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions.
--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency
><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE3.doc>
oops, that should read "whether." hahahaha j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> To: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> Cc: "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) Bill: I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not. We have a short timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position. Given that we cannot come to consensus here, I suggest we delete. If PayPal feels confident in these statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry for that. Jetlag.
j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
J. Scott,
Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version.
Thanks,
Bill
On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All:
I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill?
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive.
(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com> wrote:
I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space.
The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> a écrit :
Bill and team:
I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "stephvg@gmail.com" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
+1
Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web.
I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover.
I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter.
If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.
I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database.
Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
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Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> a écrit :
It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services.
The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here.
Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here.
Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper.
The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions.
--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency
><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc>
<BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE3.doc>
like many members, I am just catching up on the details and trying to understand all views on this important BC statement. I will post my comments tomorrow, or Wednesday, but I wanted to ask all to allow for a bit of thoughtful consideration, as many are on holiday, during August. I am only able to be online about 3 hours a day for a bit now, so may be delayed in responding. Marilyn Cade Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:41:38 -0700 From: jscottevans@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) To: bill.smith@paypal-inc.com CC: bc-gnso@icann.org oops, that should read "whether." hahahaha j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com From: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> To: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> Cc: "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) Bill: I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not. We have a short timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position. Given that we cannot come to consensus here, I suggest we delete. If PayPal feels confident in these statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry for that. Jetlag. j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) J. Scott, Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version. Thanks, Bill On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear All: I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be). As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill? J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive. (see my comments within J Scott's comments) Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task. On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com> wrote: I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space. The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/ Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> a écrit : Bill and team: I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "stephvg@gmail.com" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) +1 Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web. I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS. I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover. I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed. On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter. If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model. I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database. Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/ Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> a écrit : It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services. The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here. Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here. Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper. The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions. -- Steve DelBianco Vice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE3.doc>
With respect, and as a member of the BC, I ask that our language be considered for inclusion. I have raised these concerns on the ICANN Webinar and on the BC call that Susan led. These are not new concerns and I believe should be part of our response. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> wrote: Bill: I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not. We have a short timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position. Given that we cannot come to consensus here, I suggest we delete. If PayPal feels confident in these statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>>; "bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>" <bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> wrote: Sorry for that. Jetlag. j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) J. Scott, Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version. Thanks, Bill On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> wrote: Dear All: I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be). As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill? J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>>" <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>; "bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org> list" <bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive. (see my comments within J Scott's comments) Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task. On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> wrote: I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space. The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com<http://www.stephanevangelder.com/> ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant<http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant> LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/<http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/> Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>> a écrit : Bill and team: I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com<mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>> To: "stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>; "bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org> list" <bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) +1 Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web. I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS. I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover. I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed. On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com<mailto:stephvg@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter. If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model. I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database. Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com<http://www.stephanevangelder.com/> ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant<http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant> LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/<http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/> Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> a écrit : It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services. The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here<https://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/initial-report...>. Public comment page is <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-02apr13-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/thick-whois-initial-21jun13-en.h...> here<http://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/share-24jun13-e...> and the EWG Wiki page is here<https://community.icann.org/display/WG/Explore+the+Draft+Next+Generation+gTL...>. Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper. The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions. -- Steve DelBianco Vice chair for policy coordination Business Constituency <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE2-SVG.doc> <BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1] -JSE3.doc>
Again, with all due respect to Bill and his passion about this issue, I do not think we can reach consensus here and Bill has an avenue (separate comment on behalf of PayPal) to raise his concerns. J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) With respect, and as a member of the BC, I ask that our language be considered for inclusion. I have raised these concerns on the ICANN Webinar and on the BC call that Susan led. These are not new concerns and I believe should be part of our response. On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote: Bill:
I cannot say weather these are real concerns are not. We have a short timeline here and I do not have the time to track down my folks, educate them on the debate and put together a Yahoo! position. Given that we cannot come to consensus here, I suggest we delete. If PayPal feels confident in these statements, I think you all should file a separate public comment.
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Cc: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; "bc-gnso@icann.org" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
I agree with the "entity" changes but do not agree to the deletion of the text associated with concerns related to a centralized aggregation of security professional information and the associated operation of an information and access control system. These are very real concerns.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry for that. Jetlag.
j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
J. Scott,
Could you send me the doc? I can't seem to locate the most current version.
Thanks,
Bill
On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear All:
I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).
As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill?
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "<stephvg@gmail.com>" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>; "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive.
(see my comments within J Scott's comments)
Any move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <stephvg@gmail.com> wrote:
I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space.
The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING
T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89 T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053 Skype: SVANGELDER www.StephaneVanGelder.com ---------------- Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant
LinkedIn: fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/
Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <jscottevans@yahoo.com> a écrit :
Bill and team:
I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.
J. Scott j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
________________________________ From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> To: "stephvg@gmail.com" <stephvg@gmail.com> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; "bc-gnso@icann.org list" <bc-gnso@icann.org> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)
+1
Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web.
I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.
I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover.
I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, stephvg@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter.
If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.
I think it's useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database.
Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.
Thanks,
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Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> a écrit :
It's time for the BC to comment on the draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services. > > >The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report here. > > >Public comment page is here and the EWG Wiki page is here. > > >Laura Covington prepared the attached draft of BC comments, with help from Susan Kawaguchi, J Scott Evans, and Elisa Cooper. > >The comment period closes 12-Aug-2013, so please Reply All before 11-Aug with edits or questions. > >--Steve DelBiancoVice chair for policy coordination >Business Constituency > > > >><BC Comments - EWG Draft Model [v1].doc>
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