Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group’s initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by “status quo” in our statement “the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties” 2. define what the BC meant by “internal use” in our statement “The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived.” 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant – Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position — not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish ‘registered users’ of a dot-brand owner from ‘registrants’ of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
As the rapporteur for the earlier paper and as a representative of AIM I support this revision. The clarifications are useful. Philip
Steve, Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard. Thanks. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff President RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11 _____ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group's initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by "status quo" in our statement "the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties" 2. define what the BC meant by "internal use" in our statement "The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived." 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant - Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position - not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish 'registered users' of a dot-brand owner from 'registrants' of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
I disagree that Single Registrant - Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the "free trade" proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG - in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 <http://rodenbaugh.com/> http://rodenbaugh.com From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Steve, Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard. Thanks. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff President RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11 _____ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group's initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by "status quo" in our statement "the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties" 2. define what the BC meant by "internal use" in our statement "The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived." 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant - Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position - not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish 'registered users' of a dot-brand owner from 'registrants' of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
I'd agree with Mike in this case. It's the model that many Big brands are considering. Sent from +1(415)606-3733 On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:
I disagree that Single Registrant – Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the “free trade” proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG – in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models.
Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087
From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
Steve,
Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard.
Thanks.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
President
RNA Partners, Inc.
220 Fifth Avenue
New York, New York 10001
+ 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11
From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
To: BC members From: BC executive committee
On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett )
The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report )
The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group’s initial draft report:
1. define what the BC meant by “status quo” in our statement “the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties”
2. define what the BC meant by “internal use” in our statement “The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived.”
3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant – Single User exception.
We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached)
Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position — not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter.
But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish ‘registered users’ of a dot-brand owner from ‘registrants’ of an ICANN-accredited registrar.
--Steve DelBianco
Speaking in this case as the Chair, I offer the following point of view: A more robust, and clear set of discussoins of what members of the BC want to explore in this area will have to wait. Our present statement is very high level, and is not a documented set of calls or discussions to elaborate on different issues associated with SR/MU. We have to be careful, and responsible that we are not elaborating or adding onto the existing position, but providing narrow clarifications. That is within the scope of the ExComm, but elaborated and detailed discussions and new draft documents further exploring the issues will take time, and have to be undertaken in a longer time frame. As discussed on the call with the individual BC members who are representing their individual views on the WG last week, Steve DelBianco will be setting up a way to discuss this topic inside the BC. That is a separate discussion, yet to be had. I think it is an important one, and that is clear from the interest that this element is receeiving. However, the clarification document needs to stay very limited; and not over extend positions. Let's keep in mind that individual members can file more elaborated views on their company's/or clients views on this particular topic in the public comment process, if they wish to do so. Marilyn From: Frederick.Felman@markmonitor.com To: icann@rodenbaugh.com Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:36 -0700 CC: randruff@rnapartners.com; sdelbianco@netchoice.org; bc-gnso@icann.org I'd agree with Mike in this case. It's the model that many Big brands are considering. Sent from +1(415)606-3733 On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@rodenbaugh.com> wrote: I disagree that Single Registrant – Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the “free trade” proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG – in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Steve, Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard. Thanks. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff President RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11 From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group’s initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by “status quo” in our statement “the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties” 2. define what the BC meant by “internal use” in our statement “The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived.” 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant – Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position — not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish ‘registered users’ of a dot-brand owner from ‘registrants’ of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
Dear BC colleagues, Regarding the consultation on the Initial Report on Vertical Integration, we would like to express the following: 1. ETNO fully endorses the need for BC to file comments 2. ETNO supports the proposed BC comments, as presented last Friday 6 August 2010. Being an Association, this was not an easy task for us. The fact that the BC comments are clarifications of a previous agreed position helped a lot. 3. It is obvious that certain issues, particularly the SRSU/SRMU, need more thought and exchange of views (accompanied by impartial arguments). As BC we are not ready to express a view now, but we should prepare for next time. In addition, recognizing that the BC is a very diverse Constituency, we would appreciate that any draft BC position is based on the things that unite us and not on individual interests. If a member has strong views about something which remains controversial, this member may submit additional comments individually. 4. Finally, we do appreciate all the work done by the drafters, but please do not wait for the last minute to present BC proposals. We need adequate time to examine any proposal, so we urge you to present them and "freeze" them in due time. Best regards, Konstantin Konstantin KLADOURAS Chairman ETNO IGV-WG OTE S.A. Directorate General for Regulatory Affairs 99 Kifissias Ave., GR-151 24 Maroussi GREECE Tel: +30 210 611 8319 Mob: +30 697 33 44 006 e-mail: kkladouras@ote.gr<mailto:kkladouras@ote.gr> ________________________________ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:43 PM To: Fred Felman; Mike Rodenbaugh Cc: ron Andruff; Steve Delbianco; bc - GNSO list Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Speaking in this case as the Chair, I offer the following point of view: A more robust, and clear set of discussoins of what members of the BC want to explore in this area will have to wait. Our present statement is very high level, and is not a documented set of calls or discussions to elaborate on different issues associated with SR/MU. We have to be careful, and responsible that we are not elaborating or adding onto the existing position, but providing narrow clarifications. That is within the scope of the ExComm, but elaborated and detailed discussions and new draft documents further exploring the issues will take time, and have to be undertaken in a longer time frame. As discussed on the call with the individual BC members who are representing their individual views on the WG last week, Steve DelBianco will be setting up a way to discuss this topic inside the BC. That is a separate discussion, yet to be had. I think it is an important one, and that is clear from the interest that this element is receeiving. However, the clarification document needs to stay very limited; and not over extend positions. Let's keep in mind that individual members can file more elaborated views on their company's/or clients views on this particular topic in the public comment process, if they wish to do so. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Frederick.Felman@markmonitor.com To: icann@rodenbaugh.com Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:36 -0700 CC: randruff@rnapartners.com; sdelbianco@netchoice.org; bc-gnso@icann.org I'd agree with Mike in this case. It's the model that many Big brands are considering. Sent from +1(415)606-3733 On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com>> wrote: I disagree that Single Registrant - Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the "free trade" proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG - in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/> From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org> [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Steve, Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard. Thanks. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff President RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11 ________________________________ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org<mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org> [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see <http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report> http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group's initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by "status quo" in our statement "the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties" 2. define what the BC meant by "internal use" in our statement "The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived." 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant - Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position - not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish 'registered users' of a dot-brand owner from 'registrants' of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
I agree that any comments should be limited to clarifications and broader SRSU/SMSU issues would require further discussion. Jeff From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kladouras Konstantinos Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:07 AM To: bc - GNSO list Cc: debecker@etno.be; alain.bidron@orange-ftgroup.com Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Dear BC colleagues, Regarding the consultation on the Initial Report on Vertical Integration, we would like to express the following: 1. ETNO fully endorses the need for BC to file comments 2. ETNO supports the proposed BC comments, as presented last Friday 6 August 2010. Being an Association, this was not an easy task for us. The fact that the BC comments are clarifications of a previous agreed position helped a lot. 3. It is obvious that certain issues, particularly the SRSU/SRMU, need more thought and exchange of views (accompanied by impartial arguments). As BC we are not ready to express a view now, but we should prepare for next time. In addition, recognizing that the BC is a very diverse Constituency, we would appreciate that any draft BC position is based on the things that unite us and not on individual interests. If a member has strong views about something which remains controversial, this member may submit additional comments individually. 4. Finally, we do appreciate all the work done by the drafters, but please do not wait for the last minute to present BC proposals. We need adequate time to examine any proposal, so we urge you to present them and "freeze" them in due time. Best regards, Konstantin Konstantin KLADOURAS Chairman ETNO IGV-WG OTE S.A. Directorate General for Regulatory Affairs 99 Kifissias Ave., GR-151 24 Maroussi GREECE Tel: +30 210 611 8319 Mob: +30 697 33 44 006 e-mail: kkladouras@ote.gr <mailto:kkladouras@ote.gr> ________________________________ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:43 PM To: Fred Felman; Mike Rodenbaugh Cc: ron Andruff; Steve Delbianco; bc - GNSO list Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Speaking in this case as the Chair, I offer the following point of view: A more robust, and clear set of discussoins of what members of the BC want to explore in this area will have to wait. Our present statement is very high level, and is not a documented set of calls or discussions to elaborate on different issues associated with SR/MU. We have to be careful, and responsible that we are not elaborating or adding onto the existing position, but providing narrow clarifications. That is within the scope of the ExComm, but elaborated and detailed discussions and new draft documents further exploring the issues will take time, and have to be undertaken in a longer time frame. As discussed on the call with the individual BC members who are representing their individual views on the WG last week, Steve DelBianco will be setting up a way to discuss this topic inside the BC. That is a separate discussion, yet to be had. I think it is an important one, and that is clear from the interest that this element is receeiving. However, the clarification document needs to stay very limited; and not over extend positions. Let's keep in mind that individual members can file more elaborated views on their company's/or clients views on this particular topic in the public comment process, if they wish to do so. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Frederick.Felman@markmonitor.com To: icann@rodenbaugh.com Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:36 -0700 CC: randruff@rnapartners.com; sdelbianco@netchoice.org; bc-gnso@icann.org I'd agree with Mike in this case. It's the model that many Big brands are considering. Sent from +1(415)606-3733 On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@rodenbaugh.com> wrote: I disagree that Single Registrant - Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the "free trade" proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG - in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com <http://rodenbaugh.com/> From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Steve, Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard. Thanks. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff President RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11 ________________________________ From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) To: BC members From: BC executive committee On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett ) The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report ) The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group's initial draft report: 1. define what the BC meant by "status quo" in our statement "the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties" 2. define what the BC meant by "internal use" in our statement "The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived." 3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant - Single User exception. We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached) Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position - not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter. But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish 'registered users' of a dot-brand owner from 'registrants' of an ICANN-accredited registrar. --Steve DelBianco
just a quick note -- today's the deadline for filing comments on the VI Initial Report. mikey On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:57 AM, BRUEGGEMAN, JEFF (ATTSI) wrote:
I agree that any comments should be limited to clarifications and broader SRSU/SMSU issues would require further discussion.
Jeff
From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kladouras Konstantinos Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:07 AM To: bc - GNSO list Cc: debecker@etno.be; alain.bidron@orange-ftgroup.com Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
Dear BC colleagues,
Regarding the consultation on the Initial Report on Vertical Integration, we would like to express the following: ETNO fully endorses the need for BC to file comments ETNO supports the proposed BC comments, as presented last Friday 6 August 2010. Being an Association, this was not an easy task for us. The fact that the BC comments are clarifications of a previous agreed position helped a lot. It is obvious that certain issues, particularly the SRSU/SRMU, need more thought and exchange of views (accompanied by impartial arguments). As BC we are not ready to express a view now, but we should prepare for next time. In addition, recognizing that the BC is a very diverse Constituency, we would appreciate that any draft BC position is based on the things that unite us and not on individual interests. If a member has strong views about something which remains controversial, this member may submit additional comments individually. Finally, we do appreciate all the work done by the drafters, but please do not wait for the last minute to present BC proposals. We need adequate time to examine any proposal, so we urge you to present them and “freeze” them in due time.
Best regards, Konstantin
Konstantin KLADOURAS Chairman ETNO IGV-WG
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From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:43 PM To: Fred Felman; Mike Rodenbaugh Cc: ron Andruff; Steve Delbianco; bc - GNSO list Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
Speaking in this case as the Chair, I offer the following point of view: A more robust, and clear set of discussoins of what members of the BC want to explore in this area will have to wait. Our present statement is very high level, and is not a documented set of calls or discussions to elaborate on different issues associated with SR/MU. We have to be careful, and responsible that we are not elaborating or adding onto the existing position, but providing narrow clarifications. That is within the scope of the ExComm, but elaborated and detailed discussions and new draft documents further exploring the issues will take time, and have to be undertaken in a longer time frame.
As discussed on the call with the individual BC members who are representing their individual views on the WG last week, Steve DelBianco will be setting up a way to discuss this topic inside the BC. That is a separate discussion, yet to be had.
I think it is an important one, and that is clear from the interest that this element is receeiving.
However, the clarification document needs to stay very limited; and not over extend positions.
Let's keep in mind that individual members can file more elaborated views on their company's/or clients views on this particular topic in the public comment process, if they wish to do so.
Marilyn
From: Frederick.Felman@markmonitor.com To: icann@rodenbaugh.com Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:36 -0700 CC: randruff@rnapartners.com; sdelbianco@netchoice.org; bc-gnso@icann.org
I'd agree with Mike in this case. It's the model that many Big brands are considering.
Sent from +1(415)606-3733
On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:53 AM, "Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:
I disagree that Single Registrant – Multiple User models have no support in the WG. To the contrary, those models would be freely allowed under the “free trade” proposals that have garnered a lot of support in the WG – in fact receiving more support than either of the other major alternatives in the last straw poll of the WG. More importantly to our Members, such models may very well be desirable for many businesses who wish to own and operate a new gTLD, and so we should support that flexibility as there does not appear to be any additional or substantial harm that would be caused by those business models.
Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com
From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ron Andruff Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Steve DelBianco'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
Steve,
Thanks for the updated comments. I have made a couple of edits/comments, as noted in the attached draft. I specifically commented on the Single Registrant Multiple User (SRMU), which has not gotten any traction, rather only push back from the broader working group. The BC should take note of this and perhaps modify its language in this regard.
Thanks.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff President
RNA Partners, Inc. 220 Fifth Avenue New York, New York 10001 + 1 212 481 2820 ext. 11
From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve DelBianco Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:24 PM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] Proposed BC Comment on Vertical Integration Working Group Initial Report (to be filed 12-Aug)
To: BC members From: BC executive committee
On Thursday 5-Aug, your executive committee held a call with several BC members who are devoting much of their time to the Vertical Integration (VI) Working Group. ( Ron Andruff, Berry Cobb, Mike Palage, and Jon Nevett )
The discussion revealed that the Working Group is not likely to reach consensus for any single plan. However, there are principles which may emerge with significant support. The initial report of the Working Group is presently posted for public comment, with a due date of 12-Aug. (see http://icann.org/en/public-comment/#vi-pdp-initial-report )
The BC already has an approved position on VI, which was posted in Sep-2009. However, we believe that the BC needs to make key clarifications of our Sep-2009 position in order to make it more relevant the VI Working Group’s initial draft report:
1. define what the BC meant by “status quo” in our statement “the BC opposes any change to the status quo for all TLDs intended for sale to third parties”
2. define what the BC meant by “internal use” in our statement “The BC believes that uniquely for domain names intended for internal use, the principle of registry-registrar vertical separation should be waived.”
3. encourage continued work to define eligibility and scope for Single registrant – Single User exception.
We drafted a comment along these lines and have posted it here for your review and comment. The executive committee plans to file these comments by 12-August deadline. (comment attached)
Again, these are meant to be clarifications of existing position — not a new comment that would be subject to the 14-day review period required by our charter.
But as you review these comments, please feel free to raise new issues that go beyond clarifying our Sep-2009 position, since your thoughts will be extremely helpful to the BC members on this working Group and to our GNSO Councilors. For example, please think about how to distinguish ‘registered users’ of a dot-brand owner from ‘registrants’ of an ICANN-accredited registrar.
--Steve DelBianco
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BRUEGGEMAN, JEFF (ATTSI) -
Frederick Felman -
Kladouras Konstantinos -
Marilyn Cade -
Mike O'Connor -
Mike Rodenbaugh -
Philip Sheppard -
Ron Andruff -
Steve DelBianco