Sarah and I and others have asked - and I ask again - where is the migration path to a more integrated involvement with the CSG? Why are all our calls and discussions focussed on the legacy BC, and zero on the CSG? Why are we discussing GNSO officers in the BC silo rather than as a CSG matter? When will there be a discussion list set up for all CSG members where we can discuss CSG business? Is there a CSG session at Seoul and may we dial in to that? cheers/Rick Rick Anderson EVP, InterBorder Holdings Ltd email: randerson@interborder.ca cell: (403) 830-1798 This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the addressee. In the event this e-mail is sent to you in error, sender and sender’s company do not waive confidentiality or privilege, and waiver may not be assumed. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of, or action taken in reliance on, the contents of this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have been sent this e-mail in error, please destroy all copies and notify sender at the above e-mail address. Computer viruses can be transmitted by e-mail. You should check this e-mail message and any attachments for viruses. Sender and sender’s company accept no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Like other forms of communication, e-mail communications may be vulnerable to interception by unauthorized parties. If you do not wish to communicate by e-mail, please notify sender. In the absence of such notification, your consent is assumed. Sender will not take any additional security measures (such as encryption) unless specifically requested.
Dear Rick, it would be nice if you were not so impatient and spent more time reading material that has been communicated previously. BC officers are volunteers. I am working simultaneously on my day job. We circulated the Seoul agendas previously - they contain an explicit item on integration with the CSG. To date, as has been stated in previous e-mails and previous meeting reports, dialogue with the CSG for greater integration has not yet started. The ISPs currently oppose explicit integration. The IPC is uncertain. There is an explicit role for integration for one of the proposed new BC executive committee members. Philip
Hello, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Philip Sheppard wrote:
Dear Rick, it would be nice if you were not so impatient and spent more time reading material that has been communicated previously. BC officers are volunteers. I am working simultaneously on my day job.
I am impressed that you were able to find the time, with your day job and all, to post a "formal request" to the GNSO Council list, on behalf of BC, requesting travel funding to Seoul for yourself: http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/msg00430.html http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg07394.html Was that formal request a result of a BC vote? Or were you a wee bit "impatient" and simply made the request directly to the council pretending it reflected the views of the constituency members? Just like the IRT "support" statement made by the officers, despite the required vote --- where was the "patience" of the officers then? I think that BC members have expressed more than enough patience at allowing officers to maintain their delusions of adequacy. If Rick and others have questions, they deserve answers, or the officers should step aside to let others perform those duties. Suggesting they've "not read the material" is simply not good enough, when 2-way communications is required, instead of 1-way (which the new officer-drafted charter would institutionalize and thus why it is opposed by many).
To date, as has been stated in previous e-mails and previous meeting reports, dialogue with the CSG for greater integration has not yet started. The ISPs currently oppose explicit integration. The IPC is uncertain.
The ISP constituency hardly exists as a real and active constituency. Their public and archived mailing list at: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ispcp/index.html reveals a total of roughly 100 emails in all of 2009, much of that spent discussing travel and cocktails at ICANN events. They do not even publish a list of their constituency members on their website ( http://www.ispcp.info/ ). The BC has had more than 500 posts in its archive going back merely to the end of April, as a comparison. I'm on the Registration Abuse Policies working group, with several other BC members, and members of other constituencies, see the bottom of: https://st.icann.org/reg-abuse-wg/index.cgi?registration_abuse_policies_work... The number of ISP members equals......zero! Why is the CSG providing the ISPs with the same number of votes as the BC? This is comparable to the issue previously raised when we talked about the AOC, and that the double weighted voting of the registrars and registries needed to be corrected: http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/msg00484.html http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/msg00486.html The NCUC had their votes reduced, even though they have far more members than the CSG: http://ncdnhc.org/page/membership-roster http://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0910&L=ncuc-discuss&T=0&O=D&P=1... and have a very active mailing list (291 posts in the month of September 2009 alone) http://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind0909&L=ncuc-discuss&F=&S=&O=D&H... It's time the ISP (and IP) constituencies demonstrate they deserve the number of votes they receive in the GSNO, and the same goes for the Registrars and Registries. A merge of the CSG constituencies into a single voice would be far superior for BC members than the current situation. Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/
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