Re: [Bc-outreach] [Bc-excomm] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-diversity-2017-10-26-en>) So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec. Hope that helps! From: Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM To: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. 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Good news!! thanks Steve, Gabi *Gabriela Szlak * *Skype:* gabrielaszlak La información contenida en este e-mail es confidencial. The information in this e-mail is confidential. 2017-12-05 16:26 GMT-03:00 Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>:
This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-diversity-2017-10-26-en> )
So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec.
Hope that helps!
*From: *Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM *To: *'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> *Cc: *Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga < emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
Tola, very helpful comments.
Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are...
Other information:
If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself.
He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson.
Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF.
And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific.
welcoming other comments to add to Tola's.
------------------------------
*From:* 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Cc:* Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach *Subject:* Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
Colleagues,
Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits.
I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways:
1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC
To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants.
Thanks.
Tola
On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT:
Dear BC colleagues
Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant.
I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments.
I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment:
BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...>
*As Steve has noted,*
*we are running late on this submission. *
My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then:
-note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do
more when translation is about the IANA functions.
-noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond.
-diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating
All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members.
I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson.
Marilyn ------------------------------
*From:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Subject:* edits to Diversity comments
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Below I am sending again a message that apparently failed to be delivered to all recipients. I am sorry if it is a duplicate to you. Original message follows: I would like to propose the addition of some wording regarding diversity among businesses, somewhat in answer to Point 2 that Andrew made. Something along these lines: *It is the belief of the BC that businesses of all sizes and specialties are affected by ICANN's policies and the consequences that those carry for their online presence. In that sense, we would like to reinforce the idea that not only is it important to have diversity of stakeholders, but also to find a broader sense of diversity within those groups. As far as commercial users are concerned, the involvement of SMEs along with large corporations and class entities is vital to gather a variety of views that can come close to reflecting a shared set of values that can be called global and beneficial to businesspeople around the world. It is our desire to keep on increasing our collaboration with the ICANN organization to reach these actors, and to continually become more representative of the many ventures we speak for.* Just my 2 cents. Best, - Mark On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Gabriela Szlak <gabrielaszlak@gmail.com> wrote:
Good news!! thanks Steve, Gabi
*Gabriela Szlak *
*Skype:* gabrielaszlak
La información contenida en este e-mail es confidencial. The information in this e-mail is confidential.
2017-12-05 16:26 GMT-03:00 Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>:
This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-diversity-2017-10-26-en> )
So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec.
Hope that helps!
*From: *Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM *To: *'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> *Cc: *Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga < emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
Tola, very helpful comments.
Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are...
Other information:
If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself.
He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson.
Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF.
And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific.
welcoming other comments to add to Tola's.
------------------------------
*From:* 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Cc:* Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach *Subject:* Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses
Colleagues,
Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits.
I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways:
1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC
To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants.
Thanks.
Tola
On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:
WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT:
Dear BC colleagues
Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant.
I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments.
I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment:
BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...>
*As Steve has noted,*
*we are running late on this submission. *
My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then:
-note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do
more when translation is about the IANA functions.
-noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond.
-diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating
All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members.
I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson.
Marilyn ------------------------------
*From:* Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM *To:* Marilyn Cade *Subject:* edits to Diversity comments
<BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>__________________ _____________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.o...>
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Excellent, Mark. I'll add this into the working draft. Welcome comments from others. I just want to note that we want to also encourage large corporations as well, so I may make a small comment, so that it is clearer about how diverse business users are. ________________________________ From: Mark W. D. <markwdt@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:46 PM To: Gabriela Szlak Cc: Steve DelBianco; Marilyn Cade; 'Tola Sogbesan; Arinola Akinyemi; Waudo Siganga; bc-excomm@icann.org; cbope@nsatechno.con; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] [Bc-excomm] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Below I am sending again a message that apparently failed to be delivered to all recipients. I am sorry if it is a duplicate to you. Original message follows: I would like to propose the addition of some wording regarding diversity among businesses, somewhat in answer to Point 2 that Andrew made. Something along these lines: It is the belief of the BC that businesses of all sizes and specialties are affected by ICANN's policies and the consequences that those carry for their online presence. In that sense, we would like to reinforce the idea that not only is it important to have diversity of stakeholders, but also to find a broader sense of diversity within those groups. As far as commercial users are concerned, the involvement of SMEs along with large corporations and class entities is vital to gather a variety of views that can come close to reflecting a shared set of values that can be called global and beneficial to businesspeople around the world. It is our desire to keep on increasing our collaboration with the ICANN organization to reach these actors, and to continually become more representative of the many ventures we speak for. Just my 2 cents. Best, - Mark On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Gabriela Szlak <gabrielaszlak@gmail.com<mailto:gabrielaszlak@gmail.com>> wrote: Good news!! thanks Steve, Gabi Gabriela Szlak Skype: gabrielaszlak La información contenida en este e-mail es confidencial. The information in this e-mail is confidential. 2017-12-05 16:26 GMT-03:00 Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>: This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann....>) So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec. Hope that helps! From: Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org<mailto:bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM To: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com<mailto:tola@chacesystems.com>> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com<mailto:jolakin69@gmail.com>>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com<mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com>>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org<mailto:bc-excomm@icann.org>>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com<mailto:markwdt@gmail.com>>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com<mailto:tola@chacesystems.com>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org<mailto:bc-excomm@icann.org>; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. 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Well, I am not sure that "we" deserve this extension, but it is very welcomed! However, I hope to get the draft out by Dec 10, if we can please try to do that. Some will be traveling from 14-22 of Dec, and then away for family and celebrations rest of year, so if we can get it off to the BC members by Dec 10, that might be very useful. M ________________________________ From: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:26 PM To: Marilyn Cade; 'Tola Sogbesan Cc: Arinola Akinyemi; Waudo Siganga; bc-excomm@icann.org; Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann....>) So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec. Hope that helps! From: Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM To: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. (Liverpool) President [cid:image001.png@01D36DCC.97ED65B0] Consulting |ICT4D | Internet Governance | Capacity Building www.chacesystems.com<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chacesy...> M: +234 802 290 4983|Twitter: @tolasogbesan|Skype: tola-act ___________________
Just checking in to see if you have the updated draft you expected by 10-Dec. If so, I will circulate with the Policy Calendar tomorrow, for our Thursday call. From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 12:06 PM To: Steven DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Well, I am not sure that "we" deserve this extension, but it is very welcomed! However, I hope to get the draft out by Dec 10, if we can please try to do that. Some will be traveling from 14-22 of Dec, and then away for family and celebrations rest of year, so if we can get it off to the BC members by Dec 10, that might be very useful. M ________________________________ From: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:26 PM To: Marilyn Cade; 'Tola Sogbesan Cc: Arinola Akinyemi; Waudo Siganga; bc-excomm@icann.org; Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann....>) So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec. Hope that helps! From: Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM To: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. (Liverpool) President [cid:image001.png@01D37262.73CF6710] Consulting |ICT4D | Internet Governance | Capacity Building www.chacesystems.com<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chacesy...> M: +234 802 290 4983|Twitter: @tolasogbesan|Skype: tola-act ___________________
Thanks, Steve, Colleagues, you have had my edits to Jimson's initial draft, now for some time. I have seen no edits. Can you give it your best to let me know of any edits that you have by tomorrow? With great appreciation always to Steve, for your great attention! Does anyone need the draft again? M ________________________________ From: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:28 PM To: Marilyn Cade; 'Tola Sogbesan Cc: Arinola Akinyemi; Waudo Siganga; bc-excomm@icann.org; Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Just checking in to see if you have the updated draft you expected by 10-Dec. If so, I will circulate with the Policy Calendar tomorrow, for our Thursday call. From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 12:06 PM To: Steven DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Well, I am not sure that "we" deserve this extension, but it is very welcomed! However, I hope to get the draft out by Dec 10, if we can please try to do that. Some will be traveling from 14-22 of Dec, and then away for family and celebrations rest of year, so if we can get it off to the BC members by Dec 10, that might be very useful. M ________________________________ From: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:26 PM To: Marilyn Cade; 'Tola Sogbesan Cc: Arinola Akinyemi; Waudo Siganga; bc-excomm@icann.org; Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses This just in: the public comment period for this Diversity report has been extended to 5-Jan-2018. (link<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann....>) So we should aim to distribute a draft comment for BC member review by 20-Dec. Hope that helps! From: Bc-excomm <bc-excomm-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM To: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Cc: Arinola Akinyemi <jolakin69@gmail.com>, Waudo Siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>, BC Executive Committee <bc-excomm@icann.org>, Mark William Datysgeld <markwdt@gmail.com>, "cbope@nsatechno.con" <cbope@nsatechno.con>, BC Outreach <bc-outreach@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Bc-excomm] [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Tola, very helpful comments. Can I ask for other comments today, so I can update our draft. I know how busy we all are... Other information: If you are not watching African IGF, and Jimson's address, I will find it and forward it. We are very fortunate that one of our BC Officers is recognized as an expert from the global south, and received such a welcomed opportunity as a major speaker. I say this, as I know he will not promote himself. He has received this honor now for a few years. We as the BC benefit from this, and I wanted to thank Jimson. Taking the time to prepare and then travel for so many days of time commitment impacts business, as all of us from SMEs really understand. I hope all of us will celebrate Jimson's visibility at the African IGF. And consider how we can replicate this in LATAM, and in Asia-Pacific. welcoming other comments to add to Tola's. ________________________________ From: 'Tola Sogbesan <tola@chacesystems.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:24 AM To: Marilyn Cade Cc: Mark William Datysgeld; cbope@nsatechno.con; Andrew Mack; Waudo Siganga; Arinola Akinyemi; bc-excomm@icann.org; BC Outreach Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] edits to Diversity comments -- need your very quick responses Colleagues, Let me commend Jimson for setting the stage with a crisp comment and Marilyn for the edits. I feel comfortable with the comments but just to add that on Position 4: ICANN Meetings usually have rooms for registration but perhaps we request that ICANN retrieves and send to respective SO/AC after each meeting. This may be misleading in two ways: 1. While interacting with Newcomers and Fellows, I observed that quite a few switch interests after attending different constituency meetings, feeling more at home else than they had registered for the meeting. 2. Some may not have the opportunity of returning for meetings and the interest will be gone. 3. Some have conflict of work / personal choices to make. 4. There is this other tiny challenge of some misunderstanding the objectives of SO/AC To this end, SO/AC might have to define internal diversity criteria with which to work with once the statistics come from ICANN. If possible, So/AC might as well forward to ICANN what constitutes contents for face-face or online participants. Thanks. Tola On 4 Dec 2017, at 22:08, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: WITH APOLOGIES, IF I LEFT ANYONE OFF WHO VOLUNTEERED TO COMMENT: Dear BC colleagues Thanks for Jimson for kicking off comments, and to Steve for also providing the link to the initial BC comments, which I think are still quite relevant. I worked from Jimson's initial comments, and provided some additional comments. I haven't seen comments from other BC volunteers, but apologize if I missed any such comments. I also include [with thanks to Steve for the reminder] the initial response of the BC, which many of us contributed to, at that time here as a link, and suggest we may want to add it as a background comment: BC response to CCWG-Accountabillity WS2 Questions on Diversity<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizcons...> As Steve has noted, we are running late on this submission. My comments added to Jimson's key points do the following: first, endorse and support the recommendations, and then: -note that ICANN will need to be pragmatic about its commitment to translation and interpretation, but may need to do more when translation is about the IANA functions. -noting that the BC does a lot already but that human and financial resources are limitations to making information available in all UN official languages/and beyond. -diversity is also about enabling participation from different sub regions/regions in events that ICANN organizes, or that are related to ICANN, where ICANN is participating All BC member comments are welcomed, of course, and with apologies, as a volunteer to drafting,if you can provide them within the next 24 hours, we will still be late, but we can then send out to all BC members. I suspect we all are just overwhelmed with other work, but special thanks again to Steve and and Jimson. Marilyn ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:46 PM To: Marilyn Cade Subject: edits to Diversity comments <BC Comments on Diversity - JO+MSC.docx>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fbc-outreach&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb110e9d8e9a94012ba2608d53bb98e2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636480590491667753&sdata=FP%2BI67pnIgIaq1JmUEjoKExa5r%2BLKLJo4AFN2PSzgGw%3D&reserved=0> ___________________ Adetola SOGBESAN, M.Sc. Inf. Sys. Mgt. (Liverpool) President [cid:image001.png@01D37262.73CF6710] Consulting |ICT4D | Internet Governance | Capacity Building www.chacesystems.com<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chacesy...> M: +234 802 290 4983|Twitter: @tolasogbesan|Skype: tola-act ___________________
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Steve DelBianco