Hi Maureen, If I had my way, I would have wanted all the Online Group members on the informal call. Please note that an informal call is different from a formal ICANN meeting. As mentioned earlier, there will be lots of opportunity for the At Large community to talk to Nora. The Durban meetings will be open to remote participation so you will have your opportunity to talk to her and ask questions remotely. Besides, Nora is staff so we always will have the opportunity for scheduling a call with the WG at later stage. For now, I would recommend that the wiki be used to tease out useful considerations for the online developments etc. Your apology is noted. Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "Maureen Hilyard" <hilyard@oyster.net.ck> wrote:

Hi Sala

I know you were only doing what was asked, and it is us who have put the cat among the pigeons. I apologise for my part in this.

BUT.. it is not as if an Adobe Connect meeting with however many people joining into just listening to what Nora has to say, has any chance of becoming a “free for all”. The administrators can unplug all the speakers so no one can butt in… there are ways and means.. but surely an “informal” gathering does not mean that people have to be excluded – and for what good reason? It is extremely rare that an ICANN meeting is closed to observers.. this is so un-ICANN.

What is the point of introducing someone like Nora in her role to do with capacity building, and NOT include the volunteers who have opted for this working group. It is not a large group of people we are talking about here. Some of us are going to Durban and some of us aren’t. I’m one of the NOTs. But it would be nice for all of us to hear the same message before the Durban meeting. And its all about capacity building at all levels of ICANN.. surely.

But, maybe it’s just me!

M

From: Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro [mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 6:32 p.m. To: Maureen Hilyard Cc: Gisella Gruber-White; Siranush Vardanyan; Yaovi Atohoun; <erik@huesca.mx>; <devtee@gmail.com>; <ronojinx@gmail.com>; Satish Babu; Ali AlMeshal; <natalia.enciso@gmail.com>; At-Large Capacity Building WG Subject: Re: Capacity Building WG session with Nora Abusitta

Dear Maureen,

This is not an attempt to be unfair and are instructions from staff. If it were open to all those in our Working Group, other constituencies would have cried foul at not being involved. This is merely an informal call with Nora.

Traditionally, the invitation was sent to me but I thought that it would be good to have someone from the Online Team. Attending this call is not a "right" but a privilege. Nora will be presenting numerous times to the At Large Team as well as other constituencies, so we will all get to meet and talk to her.

The decision to keep this call "small" is Staff's decision and nothing to do with the steering committee's decision. Whomever you select from amongst you to attend this call, should be sure that they will attend this informal call and report back to the Group both on the wiki and the mailing list.

The group can trust that anything that Nora is planning will of course take into consideration that which the constituencies think should be considered which is why Inwould encourage the Online Group and other grouos at this stage to get to work on your wiki space etc.

Kind Regards, Sala

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 1, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Maureen Hilyard" <hilyard@oyster.net.ck> wrote:

Hi Gisella

I believe that only one representative from the Capacity Building Online Education group has been invited to attend the meeting with Nora Abusitta.

Personally I think this is unfair. We are all interested in attending, and have indicated our interest. I will not be attending the Durban meeting so I won’t have another chance to hear her personally and to ask her any questions directly before Durban – and I’d like to hear what Nora’s role is and what she is planning.

At the same time, I don’t think that it should just be one person attending. We all opted to be a part of this group and should hear the same message. If any of the group are going to Durban, then they can take any queries from the rest of the team along with them, and then feed back to us.. It would be good to be able to work WITH Nora on this.. because we are at a bit of a stand-still at the moment.

I am expressing my own personal view on what I feel is an attempt to block participation. It is not normal ICANN practice. I am sure that others will also have a view on this. I will add this note to the wiki.

M