Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9
I totally share and support the view of Jamie. What happened during the first round of TLD has been a dramatic experience from which we have all to learn a lot to avoid to repeat similar mistake in the future. I would add one more point. We need also some “positive discriminations”. It’s morally unacceptable that communities seeking to get the recognition of their rights could be trapped in a process (like the CPE), that cost 10 times more than announced/expected and drag for 5 years. And they have to support all costs, having in front giants like Amazon, Google or Tld companies that have at their payroll dozens of lawyers… This is totally unfair and those that are fighting for their rights cannot be considered as those that are only making business as usual. The report of Council of Europe was quite clear on its conclusions. Giacomo Mazzone From: cc-humanrights <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Jamie Baxter Sent: jeudi, 21 février 2019 17:57 To: cc-humanrights@icann.org Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 Good morning Collin My apologies for not being able to join the call yesterday. I have however listened to the recording and wanted to respond to some of the questions you have noted below. MODEL: Proposal: Include vulnerable groups in description I believe this is imperative to ensure further disadvantage is not created, permitted, or ignored. METHODOLOGY: When should the assessment be carried out? I think it would be extremely important to have ears and voices representing the human rights impact perspective involved in PDP processes from day one and throughout to ensure that discussions are informed about human rights touch points early on and avoid policy directions that later require backtracking. I also believe that these voices will help to provide a balance to interests that may inadvertently lack consideration for the human rights impact. Being part of all public comment processes is also extremely important and necessary given that the multi-stakeholder model is fueled by documented voices, and gives preference to majority voices over minority. What's the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? I'm not 100% sure that it is necessary to link newcomers to veteran knowledge at ICANN. I think it is more productive and refreshing to allow the raw instincts and experience of human rights experts to compliment or challenge PDP discussions on the merits, and not legacy. Understanding the mission and scope of ICANN is important, but I don't think full historical or procedural integration is necessary or necessarily healthy inside an organization that should be open to all inspiration and energy that helps it better develop policy to serve the global public interest. Much thanks. Jamie Baxter dotgay LLC -------- Original Message -------- Subject: cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 From: cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> Date: Thu, February 21, 2019 7:00 am To: cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> Send cc-humanrights mailing list submissions to cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cc-humanrights digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. (Collin Kurre) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:34:04 +0000 From: Collin Kurre <collin@article19.org<mailto:collin@article19.org>> To: Human Rights <cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. Message-ID: <51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org<mailto:51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks! Following up, here are some questions ahead of our Kobe meeting: GENERAL How can we get people to interact with this new work on HRIAs? Which groups / people should we invite to discuss impact assessments as a tool for constructive engagement across stakeholder groups? What other topics or issues should be discussed during our F2F session? MODEL (spreadsheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EKpMCef8kiZ2tJE2AU78q9_oeJehGbR7bWpQ...>) How can we make the link to human rights clearer? Proposal: add an explainer tab What?s missing / confusing / unnecessary / etc? Proposal: include vulnerable groups in description Proposal: add new column on Applicable Human Rights Law METHODOLOGY Who should carry out the impact assessments? Proposal: members of the CCWP-HR When should the assessment be carried out? Proposal: continuously, from inception until final report, feeding into all public comment periods What?s the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? Please feel free to share any additional thoughts or comments. Greetings from London, Collin
On 20 Feb 2019, at 15:18, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,
Please find presentation slides, attendance and recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC.
Attendance: Akriti Bopana, Austin Ruckstuhl, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, David McAuley, Desara Dushi, Emily Escartin, Herb Waye, Ioana Stupariu, Joanna Kulesza, Louise Marie Hurel, Meghan Healy, Mequanint Yehuala, Niels ten Oever, Stefan Filipovic | Staff: Maryam Bakoshi
AC Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/ <https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=f796aa9ea86da90c5...>
MP3: Attached
AC Chat: Attached
Presentation Slides: Attached
-- Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
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But what is a “community”? It’s very easy to say that it’s a problem, but unless you define what constitutes a community then I’m not sure I can agree with you. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: cc-humanrights <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "Mazzone, Giacomo" <mazzone@ebu.ch> Date: Friday 22 February 2019 at 17:03 To: Jamie Baxter <jamie@dotgay.com>, "cc-humanrights@icann.org" <cc-humanrights@icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 I totally share and support the view of Jamie. What happened during the first round of TLD has been a dramatic experience from which we have all to learn a lot to avoid to repeat similar mistake in the future. I would add one more point. We need also some “positive discriminations”. It’s morally unacceptable that communities seeking to get the recognition of their rights could be trapped in a process (like the CPE), that cost 10 times more than announced/expected and drag for 5 years. And they have to support all costs, having in front giants like Amazon, Google or Tld companies that have at their payroll dozens of lawyers… This is totally unfair and those that are fighting for their rights cannot be considered as those that are only making business as usual. The report of Council of Europe was quite clear on its conclusions. Giacomo Mazzone From: cc-humanrights <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Jamie Baxter Sent: jeudi, 21 février 2019 17:57 To: cc-humanrights@icann.org Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 Good morning Collin My apologies for not being able to join the call yesterday. I have however listened to the recording and wanted to respond to some of the questions you have noted below. MODEL: Proposal: Include vulnerable groups in description I believe this is imperative to ensure further disadvantage is not created, permitted, or ignored. METHODOLOGY: When should the assessment be carried out? I think it would be extremely important to have ears and voices representing the human rights impact perspective involved in PDP processes from day one and throughout to ensure that discussions are informed about human rights touch points early on and avoid policy directions that later require backtracking. I also believe that these voices will help to provide a balance to interests that may inadvertently lack consideration for the human rights impact. Being part of all public comment processes is also extremely important and necessary given that the multi-stakeholder model is fueled by documented voices, and gives preference to majority voices over minority. What's the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? I'm not 100% sure that it is necessary to link newcomers to veteran knowledge at ICANN. I think it is more productive and refreshing to allow the raw instincts and experience of human rights experts to compliment or challenge PDP discussions on the merits, and not legacy. Understanding the mission and scope of ICANN is important, but I don't think full historical or procedural integration is necessary or necessarily healthy inside an organization that should be open to all inspiration and energy that helps it better develop policy to serve the global public interest. Much thanks. Jamie Baxter dotgay LLC -------- Original Message -------- Subject: cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 From: cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> Date: Thu, February 21, 2019 7:00 am To: cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> Send cc-humanrights mailing list submissions to cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cc-humanrights digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. (Collin Kurre) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:34:04 +0000 From: Collin Kurre <collin@article19.org<mailto:collin@article19.org>> To: Human Rights <cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. Message-ID: <51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org<mailto:51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks! Following up, here are some questions ahead of our Kobe meeting: GENERAL How can we get people to interact with this new work on HRIAs? Which groups / people should we invite to discuss impact assessments as a tool for constructive engagement across stakeholder groups? What other topics or issues should be discussed during our F2F session? MODEL (spreadsheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EKpMCef8kiZ2tJE2AU78q9_oeJehGbR7bWpQ...>) How can we make the link to human rights clearer? Proposal: add an explainer tab What?s missing / confusing / unnecessary / etc? Proposal: include vulnerable groups in description Proposal: add new column on Applicable Human Rights Law METHODOLOGY Who should carry out the impact assessments? Proposal: members of the CCWP-HR When should the assessment be carried out? Proposal: continuously, from inception until final report, feeding into all public comment periods What?s the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? Please feel free to share any additional thoughts or comments. Greetings from London, Collin
On 20 Feb 2019, at 15:18, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,
Please find presentation slides, attendance and recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC.
Attendance: Akriti Bopana, Austin Ruckstuhl, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, David McAuley, Desara Dushi, Emily Escartin, Herb Waye, Ioana Stupariu, Joanna Kulesza, Louise Marie Hurel, Meghan Healy, Mequanint Yehuala, Niels ten Oever, Stefan Filipovic | Staff: Maryam Bakoshi
AC Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/ <https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=f796aa9ea86da90c5...>
MP3: Attached
AC Chat: Attached
Presentation Slides: Attached
-- Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
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Dear Michele, Glad to meet you on line and thank for your question if it’s not rhetoric.. Would be tedious to reopen this long discussion once more across the whole mailing list. But if your question is serious, many indicators on how to recognize a community have been given all along these years of discussion within ICANN community. You can find it in the Council of Europe report and in the documents analysed by the ICANN Ombudsman when he investigated on CPE. Always available to help you in case you have difficulty to access it. The problem exists when there are strong monetary interests against. Then no serious discussion is possible. The wolf at the end of the Aesop’s tale ate the sheep anyway, despite all arguments and evidences provided…. If you sympathize with the wolf, I can do nothing for you. If you sympathize with the sheep, the I’m more than happy to discuss. 😊 Giacomo From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: vendredi, 22 février 2019 18:08 To: Mazzone, Giacomo <mazzone@ebu.ch>; Jamie Baxter <jamie@dotgay.com>; cc-humanrights@icann.org Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 But what is a “community”? It’s very easy to say that it’s a problem, but unless you define what constitutes a community then I’m not sure I can agree with you. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: cc-humanrights <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "Mazzone, Giacomo" <mazzone@ebu.ch<mailto:mazzone@ebu.ch>> Date: Friday 22 February 2019 at 17:03 To: Jamie Baxter <jamie@dotgay.com<mailto:jamie@dotgay.com>>, "cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>" <cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 I totally share and support the view of Jamie. What happened during the first round of TLD has been a dramatic experience from which we have all to learn a lot to avoid to repeat similar mistake in the future. I would add one more point. We need also some “positive discriminations”. It’s morally unacceptable that communities seeking to get the recognition of their rights could be trapped in a process (like the CPE), that cost 10 times more than announced/expected and drag for 5 years. And they have to support all costs, having in front giants like Amazon, Google or Tld companies that have at their payroll dozens of lawyers… This is totally unfair and those that are fighting for their rights cannot be considered as those that are only making business as usual. The report of Council of Europe was quite clear on its conclusions. Giacomo Mazzone From: cc-humanrights <cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Jamie Baxter Sent: jeudi, 21 février 2019 17:57 To: cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 Good morning Collin My apologies for not being able to join the call yesterday. I have however listened to the recording and wanted to respond to some of the questions you have noted below. MODEL: Proposal: Include vulnerable groups in description I believe this is imperative to ensure further disadvantage is not created, permitted, or ignored. METHODOLOGY: When should the assessment be carried out? I think it would be extremely important to have ears and voices representing the human rights impact perspective involved in PDP processes from day one and throughout to ensure that discussions are informed about human rights touch points early on and avoid policy directions that later require backtracking. I also believe that these voices will help to provide a balance to interests that may inadvertently lack consideration for the human rights impact. Being part of all public comment processes is also extremely important and necessary given that the multi-stakeholder model is fueled by documented voices, and gives preference to majority voices over minority. What's the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? I'm not 100% sure that it is necessary to link newcomers to veteran knowledge at ICANN. I think it is more productive and refreshing to allow the raw instincts and experience of human rights experts to compliment or challenge PDP discussions on the merits, and not legacy. Understanding the mission and scope of ICANN is important, but I don't think full historical or procedural integration is necessary or necessarily healthy inside an organization that should be open to all inspiration and energy that helps it better develop policy to serve the global public interest. Much thanks. Jamie Baxter dotgay LLC -------- Original Message -------- Subject: cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 44, Issue 9 From: cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> Date: Thu, February 21, 2019 7:00 am To: cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> Send cc-humanrights mailing list submissions to cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cc-humanrights-request@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-request@icann.org> You can reach the person managing the list at cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-owner@icann.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cc-humanrights digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. (Collin Kurre) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:34:04 +0000 From: Collin Kurre <collin@article19.org<mailto:collin@article19.org>> To: Human Rights <cc-humanrights@icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Attendance and Recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC. Message-ID: <51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org<mailto:51134AB1-78D3-4B2E-B025-CB49901D1557@article19.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks! Following up, here are some questions ahead of our Kobe meeting: GENERAL How can we get people to interact with this new work on HRIAs? Which groups / people should we invite to discuss impact assessments as a tool for constructive engagement across stakeholder groups? What other topics or issues should be discussed during our F2F session? MODEL (spreadsheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EKpMCef8kiZ2tJE2AU78q9_oeJehGbR7bWpQ...>) How can we make the link to human rights clearer? Proposal: add an explainer tab What?s missing / confusing / unnecessary / etc? Proposal: include vulnerable groups in description Proposal: add new column on Applicable Human Rights Law METHODOLOGY Who should carry out the impact assessments? Proposal: members of the CCWP-HR When should the assessment be carried out? Proposal: continuously, from inception until final report, feeding into all public comment periods What?s the best way to link the energy of newcomers and expertise of outsiders with the knowledge of ICANN veterans? Please feel free to share any additional thoughts or comments. Greetings from London, Collin
On 20 Feb 2019, at 15:18, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org<mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear All,
Please find presentation slides, attendance and recordings of the CCWP ICANN and Human Rights call of 20 February 2019 at 1400 UTC.
Attendance: Akriti Bopana, Austin Ruckstuhl, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, David McAuley, Desara Dushi, Emily Escartin, Herb Waye, Ioana Stupariu, Joanna Kulesza, Louise Marie Hurel, Meghan Healy, Mequanint Yehuala, Niels ten Oever, Stefan Filipovic | Staff: Maryam Bakoshi
AC Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/ <https://participate.icann.org/p7h1l62kimb/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=f796aa9ea86da90c5...>
MP3: Attached
AC Chat: Attached
Presentation Slides: Attached
-- Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
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Michele Neylon - Blacknight