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Subject: Re: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA From: William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com> Date: November 28, 2014 at 10:20:38 AM GMT+1 Cc: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com>, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>, Thomas Schneider <Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch>, Joy Liddicoat <joy@apc.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, "Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk" <Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk>, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@gmail.com>, "Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch" <Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch>, Roy Balleste <rballeste@stu.edu>, "RPEREZGA@minetur.es" <RPEREZGA@minetur.es>, "wolf@eurodig.org" <wolf@eurodig.org>, Lee Hibbard <Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int>, "mallory@apc.org" <mallory@apc.org>, William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch> To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>

Hello

I’m not Ccing mcastanon@rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe> because the address has resulted in endless bounce messages. I don’t know who this is but could whoever does perhaps communicate that there may be an issue?

Re: title, bear in mind how it will look on an ICANN program, crammed into a little box. Also, I don’t think a workshop needs to be labeled as cross community, workshops are presumed to be open to the whole community unless marked with a [C]. Indeed, it doesn’t even need to be labeled a workshop. Look for ex at Wednesday sessions at http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full <http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full>. And for further finickiness, I’m not sure I’d mention procedures, which could set some minds spinning (are they saying our SO-AC's procedures are problematic in terms of HR?!) Why not just a simple soft entry like ICANN Human Rights: Continuing the Conversation?

Re: mail list, like Marilia I would never presume that by signing a passed around paper people have agreed to have their names added to yet another mail list. I’d set it up and send a message inviting them to join.

Re: description, I know we don’t all agree on the appropriate speed here, but personally I would not convey that we (some undefined group) have already determined that ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights and therefore we are starting a process to formulate a solution. A lot of the community is still nowhere near being in the tent. I had two board members pull me aside in LA to say WTF is this human rights thing who are these people this could be a disaster, and I heard various other comments from people in governments and the community that were at a minimum, skeptical and reserved. So I’d think we want a formulation that isn’t still stuck at square 1 but isn’t already charging up the hill either. Moreover, I think we’d want to acknowledge some of the push back we have already received about is ICANN the wrong place for this, a few policies might be relevant but most are not, was the report an official statement of collective view by the COE, etc. etc.

Would this be too weak-kneed for you all?

There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner.

The workshop builds on discussions begun in London with the presentation of a report sponsored by the Council of Europe, [1] and continued in LA with the cross-community workshop on ICANN and Human Rights.

Two cents,

Bill

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

Yes we made that amply clear, people who did not want their names on tended to not supply them as I recall. cheers Steph On 14-11-27 11:41 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote:

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Dear Niels,

Thank you for the workshop description. I think that´s exactly what we need. I would go with the shorter title. Did we make clear in LA that we would add people who provided their e-mails to a mailing list? If not, maybe it would be better to send a short message asking them to join. People tend to be upset when they are added without consent.

Best, Marília

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512

Hi all,

My first stab at a description for the session:

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Short title: Cross-Community Workshop on human rights and ICANN's policies and procedures

Possible longer title: ICANNs policies and procedures and their impact on human rights and fundamental freedoms

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ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights such as freedom of expression and the right to privacy. These issues are often discussed on a case by case bases. This workshop aims to discuss how a process could be started which would try to formulate a more systemic approach to protect human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values.

The workshop will continue the discussion that started with the presentation of the Council of Europe report [0] in London and the meeting on ICANN and Human Rights in LA and aims to include voices from all constituencies.

[0] http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp <http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp>

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Also Rafik, are you the admin of the mailinglist? Shall I sent an email announcing the mailing list to the people who signed up for this in LA ? Or would you like to auto-add them to the mailinglist?

Best,

Niels

On 11/24/2014 01:46 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:

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Hi,

There are 2 things: -securing a room is "logistics" , I can make request and give details like room layout, expected number of attendees, remote participation but I will need a description for session. Glen will help with metimg team - program committee concern getting other parts of the community in board e.g. registrars and so on

I can do the first, for the second we need to coordinate to avoid confusing messages.

Rafik

On Nov 22, 2014 2:59 AM, "Marilia Maciel" <mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Hi Steph,

On my mind the request for the room and the actual organization/sponsorship of the meeting are two different things. The first is just a formality. As Lee confirmed to us, we need to anchor it in a community to secure a room. Probably a partnership between NCSG/NCUC and CoE is the fastest way forward. As Bill highlighted we should get it going.

For the actual planning and shapping of the event I completely agree with you. We need to broaden the organizing team. Other constituencies, ACs and SOs should take ownership. Maybe some kind of joint curation of the program could be a way forward?

Marília

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>>> wrote:

WHy not try for a friendly registrar as a partner, like VOlker or Michele? or Tucows? or Bladel? We could also hit up Don Blumenthal who is chairing the PPSAI? On 2014-11-21, 12:12, William Drake wrote:

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Hi

Nigel’s suggestion strikes me as difficult to move quickly and a potentially a bit of a hard sell, given that most of the GNSO either won’t be up to speed or may be opposed. But if we want to try that route I suppose Avri could raise it in the GNSO Council and see if all the industry factions suddenly discover a collective desire to have ICANN talking human rights.

It’s not obvious to me why this should be necessary though. NCUC and NCSG have secured meeting space before. If NCSG were to submit and say this is a joint request with COE and some governments (would help a lot to have one willing to be publicly identified with it) I’d not see how they could argue that it’s not a sufficiently ‘community’ initiative.

Bill

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On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, HIBBARD Lee <Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int> <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int>>> wrote:

Hi everyone,____ I asked Nigel Hickson for a room and he suggested that GNSO makes the request. It seems best to attach it to a community structure – could anyone help?____ Thanks Lee____ *From:*Marilia Maciel [mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>] *Sent:*vendredi 21 novembre 2014 17:15 *To:*William Drake *Cc:*Rafik Dammak; Niels ten Oever; Olivier Crepin-Leblond; Stephanie Perrin;Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Perrin%3BMark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk> <mailto:Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk>>;Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch>

<mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch>>; Joy

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Liddicoat;RPEREZGA@minetur.es <mailto:Liddicoat%3BRPEREZGA@minetur.es> <mailto:RPEREZGA@minetur.es <mailto:RPEREZGA@minetur.es>>; Thomas Schneider; Avri Doria;wolf@eurodig.org <mailto:Doria%3Bwolf@eurodig.org> <mailto:wolf@eurodig.org <mailto:wolf@eurodig.org>>;mcastanon@rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe> <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>>; Roy Balleste; Robin Gross; HIBBARD Lee; Olga Cavalli;mallory@apc.org <mailto:Cavalli%3Bmallory@apc.org> <mailto:mallory@apc.org <mailto:mallory@apc.org>> *Subject:*Re: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA____ __ __ Hi Bill,____

According to Niels´ notes from our meeting Lee was expected to book the room. However, I think that in order to avoid any misunderstanding about the nature of this meeting (re. confusing with a private/parallel event, as happened in LA) a community leader should do it. Maybe you or Rafik could help us? If useful, I volunteer to assist with the follow-up of the contact with staff if you make the first request and cc me.____

Best!____ Marília____ __ __ On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com>>> wrote:____ Hi

Glad this is moving along. Has anyone made a room request for Singapore? There’s going to be quite a lot of pulls on the scheduling...

Best

Bill____

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Hi Rafik, > > Thanks so much for your work on that. Please convey our > thanks also to Glen. I think the name is excellent. CC reinforces that this is a cross-community effort and we have human rights clearly on the tittle. > > If everyone agrees, I believe we could proceed with sending invitations to the people who participated in our meeting in LA so they will join this list. Once it is working our discussions will become more inclusive. > > All the best! > > Marília > > > ____

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