Dear Alejandra,

thank you for not addressing nay of my concerns. It is duly noted.

el

On 21/11/2022 19:39, Alejandra Reynoso Barral wrote:
> Dear Eberhard
>
> Thank you for your feedback on the council workshop and I am adding the
> Council mailing list in copy. 
>
> I appreciate your point with respect to the late start and I apologize
> for any inconvenience this may have caused.
>
> With respect to the session itself I want to make a few observations to
> provide more context:
>
>   * This session was intended to solicit different perspectives, from
>     Councillors and community members, on how they look at the
>     effectiveness and efficiency of ccNSO's policy work and how it could
>     be improved.
>   * The past Council workshop was the first time we could have such a
>     discussion looking at a concluded ccPDP. 
>   * I trust we will continue this matter and further analysis will be
>     undertaken. 
>   * As stated it was NOT intended as an evaluation of the process of the
>     development of the retirement policy, which is first and foremost a
>     matter of the working group developing the policy.
>
> As to the session itself, this was organized by an ad-hoc committee of
> the Council, which included the Chair of the Retirement working group. I
> leave it up to this group whether they want to comment on your feed-back.
>
> Best regards,
> Alejandra
>
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> On 17/11/2022, 21:37, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
>
>     Alejandra,
>
>     This format of this did not work for me at all.
>
>
>     Throwing a few virtual post-its around without taking into
>     consideration whether the points were made were made by actual
>     members of the group or others (ie lacking insight into the
>     operation of the Wg) does not help.
>
>     Neither do some very outlandish suggestions making it onto those
>     post-its by a participant (ie not a member) of the WG. I am not
>     objecting to the suggestions per se (this is "electronic
>     brainstorming" after all, but the lack of reflection applied to
>     any of them in any analysis.
>
>     I do not believe that a quantitative approach to comments in order
>     to change ccNSO working methodology is too simplistic for the
>     importance of this.
>
>     I was VERY disturbed by the summary termination of the workshop at
>     the top of the hour (after the Council Call encroached on the
>     allocated time), which I find disrespectful to those volunteers
>     who attended out of hours, and reduces this exercise to something
>     akin to ticking a box.
>
>     I am not sure I am willing to participate in something like this
>     in or out of hours again.
>
>
>     The one issue that really irritated me during the process of
>     developing the policy, was a Council Member (not participating in
>     the Wg) making some really strong remarks about the length we were
>     taking (if I recall correctly on one of the pre-Covid meetings).
>
>     I must confess that I could at the time barely be restrained by
>     the Wg's chair from esablishing whether that was in line with
>     accepted norms of behaviour in the ICANN context.
>
>     Since the Council member was present during today's Zoom call I
>     had wanted to address that point for and on the record.
>
>
>     Since I can not post to the Council List and don't have a list of
>     non Council Members participating, I trust you bring this email
>     to the attention of everyone who was on the Zoom call.
>
>     The two chairs of the Wg read in copy.
>
>     el
>
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Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse   \         /       Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
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PO Box 8421 Bachbrecht  \      /  If this email is signed with GPG/PGP
10007, Namibia           ;____/ Sect 20 of Act No. 4 of 2019 may apply