Dear Eberhard Thank you for your message and proposed text. I will include it in my communication with ICANN Legal In the proposed Bylaw amendment it says "For purposes of this Article 10, a “ccTLD manager” is the organization or entity responsible for managing *a ccTLD according to and under the current heading “Delegation Record” in the Root Zone Database*, or under any later modification, for that country-code top-level domain." Does it address your concern regarding the association of a ccTLD with a country? If not, what wording would you suggest? Please note that the ccNSO Council mailing list is added in copy. Best regards, Alejandra -- [image: Photograph] *Alejandra Reynoso*Investigación & Desarrollo | Dominios .gt *P:* +502 23688565 *E:* alejandra.reynoso@cctld.gt 18 Ave. 11-95 Zona 15, V.H. III. (A-109) Guatemala, Guatemala www.gt On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:24 AM Dr Eberhard W Lisse via Ccnso-members < ccnso-members@icann.org> wrote:

I fully agree with Patricio, and would not be able to vote in favour of this Bylaw change.

As he wrote, the easy part first:

From the Standard itself:

The ISO 3166 series provides universally applicable coded representations of names of countries (current and non-current), dependencies, and other areas of particular geopolitical interest and their subdivisions.

ISO 3166-1 establishes codes that represent the current names of countries, dependencies, and other areas of particular geopolitical interest, on the basis of country names obtained from the United Nations.

ISO 3166-2 establishes a code that represents the names of the principal administrative divisions, or similar areas, of the countries and entities included in ISO 3166-1.

ISO 3166-3 establishes a code that represents non- current country names, i.e. the country names deleted from ISO 3166 since its first publication in 1974.

The ISO 3166 series do not express any opinion whatsoever concerning the legal status of any country, dependency, or other area named herein, or concerning its frontiers or boundaries.

And hence I would refine Patricio's proposal to use the word 'country' throughout and insert at the beginning language that defines 'country' to mean names of countries (current and non-current), dependencies, and other areas of particular geopolitical interest and their subdivisions.

However, I will also not be able to vote in favor of Bylaw change that creates (even) the hint of an impression of a linkage between a country (itself) and a ccTLD.

ccTLDs are NAMED after 2 letter codes representing the NAME(S) of countries, they have no other (intrinsic) relationship with countries themselves, per se, or as far as ICANN is concerned.

Please forward to the Council list.

greetings, el

On 2021-08-27 17:44 , Alejandra Reynoso via Ccnso-members wrote:

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Dear Patricio

Thank you very much for your comment and feedback. I will forward your concern to ICANN Legal.

Additionally, I want to take this opportunity to remind everyone that later in the bylaw change process there will be a public comment period, where you are welcome to participate.

Best regards, Alejandra [...] On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 10:30 AM Patricio Poblete via Ccnso-members <ccnso-members@icann.org> wrote:

Hello all,

Some comments, speaking exclusively as a ccTLD administrator.

First the easy stuff: in (e) (iii), change "manger" to "manager"

Now, the main point. I really disagree with the deprecation of the word "country" and its replacement by "territory".

Among the ccTLDs, countries are the rule, and non-country territories are the exception. We are ccTLDs, not tcTLDs, and the ccNSO is not the tcNSO.

I don't think it is a good idea to have the bylaws break in its use of terms from long standing tradition. RFC1591 speaks only of countries, never of territories, even though I suppose Postel was aware he was abusing the word "country" a little bit. The FoI report uses "countries or territories" a lot, but even then, "country" is used twice as often as "territory".

My preference would be to use "countries" throughout, and have a note at the beginning specifying that the use of this word in the bylaws must be interpreted to mean "countries or territories". My second best choice would be to use "countries or territories" everywhere.

Finally, I would suggest a better wording for the phrase "or other area of particular geopolitical interest listed on the ‘International Standard ISO 3166-1,...', which might be understood as if other territories that did not get their own code would be of no particular geopolitical interest. A better phrase could be 'or other geographical area listed on the ‘International Standard ISO 3166-1,...'

Thanks for your attention,

Patricio [...]

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