Second-class councillors
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . . . . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO .. That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community. In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be. My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest. In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal. I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading. Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
That was certainly not my experience as a NomCom appointee J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz On 4/23/15, 4:40 AM, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . .
. . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO ..
That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community.
In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be.
My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest.
In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal.
I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading.
Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
It appears there may have been a misunderstanding regarding qualification for access to the relevant lists ... Perhaps something in translation? My apologies for any lack of understanding on my part. I am pleased to hear conformation that all Councillors are entitled to access the lists, irrespective. I will revert to the relevant with clarification and inform accordingly, Thanks again. Nigel. Sent from my iPad
On 23 Apr 2015, at 12:37, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
That was certainly not my experience as a NomCom appointee
J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
On 4/23/15, 4:40 AM, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . .
. . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO ..
That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community.
In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be.
My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest.
In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal.
I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading.
Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
I'd always thought all councillors ranked equally in all regards... Cheers Keith On 23/04/2015 8:40 p.m., Nigel Roberts wrote:
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . .
. . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO ..
That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community.
In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be.
My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest.
In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal.
I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading.
Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
I am (was?) sure they are. Regards, ]{atrina -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Keith Davidson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:48 PM To: Nigel Roberts; byron.holland@cira.ca; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: [ccnso-council] Re: Second-class councillors I'd always thought all councillors ranked equally in all regards... Cheers Keith On 23/04/2015 8:40 p.m., Nigel Roberts wrote:
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . .
. . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO ..
That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community.
In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be.
My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest.
In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal.
I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading.
Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
Nigel, I was not around when the ccNSO members email list was set up, so I am not sure on what grounds the selection of who can subscribe was made. However, my guess is that the name itself gives the reply to that ("ccNSO *members*"). For the ccTLD Community email list, there is a charter, which states that: "The list is only open to the following groups: ccTLD Managers, administrative contacts and technical contacts of ccTLDs; Staff and board members of ccTLD registries, as approved by the ccTLD Manager or administrative contact; Observers from Regional ccTLD registry organisations, identified by their manager or board; The ccNSO secretariat, the ICANN ccNSO Policy Support Officer and the IANA ccTLD Liaison Officer." I.e. it leaves no space for NomCom Councillors. See: http://www.ccnso.icann.org/about/charter-cctld-community-list.pdf However, in order to ensure that NomCom Councillors receive all relevant information, it has been made a custom to cc the Council email list into every correspondence sent from the Secretariat. This way, I believe the NomCom Councillors receive 99% of all emails sent to these email lists. I hope this clarifies. Kind regards, Gabi On 23/04/15 13:48, "Keith Davidson" <keith@internetnz.net.nz> wrote:
I'd always thought all councillors ranked equally in all regards...
Cheers
Keith
On 23/04/2015 8:40 p.m., Nigel Roberts wrote:
I am reluctiant to imitate too much the ccNSO's inconvenient conscience; nontheless, asking "through the Chair" . . .
. . . it very recently has come to my attention that there appear to be two classes of Councillors in the ccNSO ..
That is, there appears to be a difference in the rights, obligations and privileges of those Councillors seated by the NomCom (i.e. from outside the ccTLD community) and those of us, like me, who are elected from within the community.
In particular, I understand that NomCom appointed councillors are not permitted to be subscribed to the general mailing lists, and I am not sure what other differences there may be.
My understanding of the by-laws is that Supporting Organisations' Council Members serve in an individual capacity once seated, and must serve the interests of both their SO, and (while not subject to the fiduciary duties of ICANN Board members) must also serve the Corporation and the wider public, multi-stake holder, interest.
In other words, once appointed, Councillors are equal.
I have not yet found anywhere in the by-laws which might support differentials, but this may, (as is often the case) be due to my haste in reading.
Perhaps someone could assist me in this, please?
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Keith Davidson -
Nigel Roberts