During the call (and in the response) the Board did appreciate such exercise of examples. The examples may not be concrete ones but they are not vague too. I feel that we should continue to proceed but in a more holistic approach (i.e. from applicant, manager, Board, community... perspectives ; potential positive and negative impact, etc.) so that we can record our thoughts and organize them in the final report. Maybe few more column's should be added in Marika's spreadsheet. 

On the other hand -- it is possible to have the mechanism that the WG defines, say 20 examples, and all are considered ok by the Board. These will be the project "titles" for worldwide applicants to apply for fund under these titles (or categories). 

Look forward to hearing more comments. Thanks! 

Best,

Ching 

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 9, 2018 1:08 AM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:

While I generally support the goal, I was part of the small group working on the definition and it is not as simple to define.  ICANN does not address content, per se, for example. When I was just joining some wanted to use the term "open Internet", and I objected and explained that this was a sort of "term of art" that referred to Net Neutrality in the US and Europe. 


That is why we moved to open and interoperable Internet.  Of course, we can say:  open and interoperable Internet, consistent with ICANN's mission [link to ICANN's mission].  


SO: This should work, though I do think interoperability is a given in the word Internet; if the networks are not interoperable then it isn't the Internet.

I agree with the board's observation with regards to indicating examples; I personally hope that we will use examples as a reference to inspire our thoughts in producing mechanisms that helps achieve our objectives and those examples doesn't necessarily have to be included in formal write-ups.

Regards
PS: Apologies for missing the call


From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mei Lin Fung <mlf@alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Maureen Hilyard
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Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC
 
I agree with Maureen and would re-inforce that the Board's guidance on how our important mission of "an interoperable Internet" can be incorporated in the letter

In fact, I believe doing this would assist in responding to the important point made by Nadira Alaraj - what is the motivation for them to help us with their guidance/thoughts/information

An interoperable Internet is important so that all can participate in creating and enjoying the benefits of being connected to other people, businesses, employers and increase everyone's opportunities for being involved in economic, social and leisure activities

Mei Lin Fung
Organizer, People Centered Internet, co-founded with Vint Cerf
External advisor to the Stanford Center for Population Health Science
Member of the Global Future Council on Digital Economy and Society, World Economic Forum
Member of the Steering Committee, World Economic Forum, Internet for All
Vice Chair, Internet Inclusion, IEEE Internet Initiative 

(t) meilinfung

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
My 2c following today's call..

The Board letter indicates that they were concerned about how specific our examples were in this initial update to the Board of the group's activities, but as we are now working towards a more ultimate outcome, our next step will no doubt be to look at these examples from a more high level about overall recommendations for potential applications, since we have just been through the comprehensive process of gathering these specific possibilities and discussing their pros and cons. And we have some examples of suggestions that were not considered appropriate. 

 

Although it is still the work of the group to provide its own guidelines for the uses of the fund, with reference to the issue of the group's intent to support ICANN's vision of an "interoperable internet", I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction, in order to pass on to potential applicants about how they might more appropriately use the funds to support this important ICANN purpose.


Maureen



On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 喬敬 <chiao@brandma.co> wrote:
FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-burr-to-mann-chiao-31jan18-en.pdf ... in case some of you have not read the response. Thanks! 

Ching 

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:10 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:

Dear All,

 

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the attached documents and those linked below in advance of the meeting.

 

Best regards,

 

Marika

 

Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – Thursday 8 February 2018

 

As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the “ntfy” (short for “notify”) mailing list to which members only are subscribed in a read-only mode. These details must not be circulated on the wider public WG mailing list. To avoid burdening the WG public mailing list, please send your apologies ahead of time (apologies after the call will no longer be taken into account) and your dial-out requests to the GNSO Secretariat: gnso-secs@icann.org in advance of the meeting..

  1. Roll Call
  2. Welcome / DOI & SOI updates
  3. Finalization of letter for external experts (see latest version attached)
  4. Review of response of Board Liaisons (see https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64075095/2018-01-31%20Maarten%20Botterman%20and%20Becky%20Burr%20to%20Erika%20Mann%20and%20Ching%20Chiao%20CCWG-AP.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1517839563000&api=v2 and attached)
  5. Confirm next steps & date for next meeting (Thursday 22 February at 14.00 UTC)

Marika Konings

Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 

Email: marika.konings@icann.org  

 

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On Feb 9, 2018 1:08 AM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:

While I generally support the goal, I was part of the small group working on the definition and it is not as simple to define.  ICANN does not address content, per se, for example. When I was just joining some wanted to use the term "open Internet", and I objected and explained that this was a sort of "term of art" that referred to Net Neutrality in the US and Europe. 


That is why we moved to open and interoperable Internet.  Of course, we can say:  open and interoperable Internet, consistent with ICANN's mission [link to ICANN's mission].  



From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mei Lin Fung <mlf@alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Maureen Hilyard
Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org
Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC
 
I agree with Maureen and would re-inforce that the Board's guidance on how our important mission of "an interoperable Internet" can be incorporated in the letter

In fact, I believe doing this would assist in responding to the important point made by Nadira Alaraj - what is the motivation for them to help us with their guidance/thoughts/information

An interoperable Internet is important so that all can participate in creating and enjoying the benefits of being connected to other people, businesses, employers and increase everyone's opportunities for being involved in economic, social and leisure activities

Mei Lin Fung
Organizer, People Centered Internet, co-founded with Vint Cerf
External advisor to the Stanford Center for Population Health Science
Member of the Global Future Council on Digital Economy and Society, World Economic Forum
Member of the Steering Committee, World Economic Forum, Internet for All
Vice Chair, Internet Inclusion, IEEE Internet Initiative 

(t) meilinfung

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
My 2c following today's call..

The Board letter indicates that they were concerned about how specific our examples were in this initial update to the Board of the group's activities, but as we are now working towards a more ultimate outcome, our next step will no doubt be to look at these examples from a more high level about overall recommendations for potential applications, since we have just been through the comprehensive process of gathering these specific possibilities and discussing their pros and cons. And we have some examples of suggestions that were not considered appropriate. 

 

Although it is still the work of the group to provide its own guidelines for the uses of the fund, with reference to the issue of the group's intent to support ICANN's vision of an "interoperable internet", I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction, in order to pass on to potential applicants about how they might more appropriately use the funds to support this important ICANN purpose.


Maureen



On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 喬敬 <chiao@brandma.co> wrote:
FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-burr-to-mann-chiao-31jan18-en.pdf ... in case some of you have not read the response. Thanks! 

Ching 

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:10 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:

Dear All,

 

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the attached documents and those linked below in advance of the meeting.

 

Best regards,

 

Marika

 

Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – Thursday 8 February 2018

 

As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the “ntfy” (short for “notify”) mailing list to which members only are subscribed in a read-only mode. These details must not be circulated on the wider public WG mailing list. To avoid burdening the WG public mailing list, please send your apologies ahead of time (apologies after the call will no longer be taken into account) and your dial-out requests to the GNSO Secretariat: gnso-secs@icann.org in advance of the meeting..

  1. Roll Call
  2. Welcome / DOI & SOI updates
  3. Finalization of letter for external experts (see latest version attached)
  4. Review of response of Board Liaisons (see https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64075095/2018-01-31%20Maarten%20Botterman%20and%20Becky%20Burr%20to%20Erika%20Mann%20and%20Ching%20Chiao%20CCWG-AP.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1517839563000&api=v2 and attached)
  5. Confirm next steps & date for next meeting (Thursday 22 February at 14.00 UTC)

Marika Konings

Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 

Email: marika.konings@icann.org  

 

Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO

Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages. 

 


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On Feb 9, 2018 1:08 AM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> wrote:

While I generally support the goal, I was part of the small group working on the definition and it is not as simple to define.  ICANN does not address content, per se, for example. When I was just joining some wanted to use the term "open Internet", and I objected and explained that this was a sort of "term of art" that referred to Net Neutrality in the US and Europe. 


That is why we moved to open and interoperable Internet.  Of course, we can say:  open and interoperable Internet, consistent with ICANN's mission [link to ICANN's mission].  



From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mei Lin Fung <mlf@alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Maureen Hilyard
Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org
Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC
 
I agree with Maureen and would re-inforce that the Board's guidance on how our important mission of "an interoperable Internet" can be incorporated in the letter

In fact, I believe doing this would assist in responding to the important point made by Nadira Alaraj - what is the motivation for them to help us with their guidance/thoughts/information

An interoperable Internet is important so that all can participate in creating and enjoying the benefits of being connected to other people, businesses, employers and increase everyone's opportunities for being involved in economic, social and leisure activities

Mei Lin Fung
Organizer, People Centered Internet, co-founded with Vint Cerf
External advisor to the Stanford Center for Population Health Science
Member of the Global Future Council on Digital Economy and Society, World Economic Forum
Member of the Steering Committee, World Economic Forum, Internet for All
Vice Chair, Internet Inclusion, IEEE Internet Initiative 

(t) meilinfung

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
My 2c following today's call..

The Board letter indicates that they were concerned about how specific our examples were in this initial update to the Board of the group's activities, but as we are now working towards a more ultimate outcome, our next step will no doubt be to look at these examples from a more high level about overall recommendations for potential applications, since we have just been through the comprehensive process of gathering these specific possibilities and discussing their pros and cons. And we have some examples of suggestions that were not considered appropriate. 

 

Although it is still the work of the group to provide its own guidelines for the uses of the fund, with reference to the issue of the group's intent to support ICANN's vision of an "interoperable internet", I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction, in order to pass on to potential applicants about how they might more appropriately use the funds to support this important ICANN purpose.


Maureen



On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 喬敬 <chiao@brandma.co> wrote:
FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-burr-to-mann-chiao-31jan18-en.pdf ... in case some of you have not read the response. Thanks! 

Ching 

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:10 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:

Dear All,

 

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the attached documents and those linked below in advance of the meeting.

 

Best regards,

 

Marika

 

Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – Thursday 8 February 2018

 

As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the “ntfy” (short for “notify”) mailing list to which members only are subscribed in a read-only mode. These details must not be circulated on the wider public WG mailing list. To avoid burdening the WG public mailing list, please send your apologies ahead of time (apologies after the call will no longer be taken into account) and your dial-out requests to the GNSO Secretariat: gnso-secs@icann.org in advance of the meeting..

  1. Roll Call
  2. Welcome / DOI & SOI updates
  3. Finalization of letter for external experts (see latest version attached)
  4. Review of response of Board Liaisons (see https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64075095/2018-01-31%20Maarten%20Botterman%20and%20Becky%20Burr%20to%20Erika%20Mann%20and%20Ching%20Chiao%20CCWG-AP.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1517839563000&api=v2 and attached)
  5. Confirm next steps & date for next meeting (Thursday 22 February at 14.00 UTC)

Marika Konings

Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 

Email: marika.konings@icann.org  

 

Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO

Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages. 

 


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