My comment now at the document Marika has posted today. It is using some of Sylvia's text with some of Daniel’s and this would be my entire suggestion for definition of Open Internet and the rationale is also below. Under ICANN’s role, the Internet is Open when it is equally accessible to all people for all purposes, under the following context: - No control or impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content, application or type of data being transmitted; - Participation on an equal footing at all levels is encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against - Applicable to the following layers: - Transport and presentation layer (TCP/IP, Web, directly linked to DNS operations, and needs funding) - Addressing layer (IPv6, DNS, ICANN core activities) - Training is available about how to manage, operate and how to use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively Rationale: * Layers - I tend to agree with Daniel, not all layers shall be available. Physical layer is not under ICANN’s role and we shall avoid projects related to physical infrastructure. Content is also far from ICAnn’s role – * Even core activities need development – even issues nowadays funding by ICANN may be open to be considered if brings some added value to ICANN, then new projects and ideas shall be encouraged. Best to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of 'Marika Konings' <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 17:53 To: Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com>>, "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds on Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC Thanks, Judith and apologies for missing your comments. Please feel free to add them to the document as appropriate. Best regards, Marika From: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com>> Organization: Hellerstein & Associates Reply-To: "judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com>" <judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com>> Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 13:17 To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds on Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC HI Marika and other members, My Comments are not connected with the later input by Daniel, but his earlier comments on Erika's statement, which are not in this version. Also I commented that Sylvia's description Version 2a is closer to what I had in mind in my definition Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Website: www.jhellerstein.com[jhellerstein.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jhellerstein.com&d=D...> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/[linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_jhel...> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 8/23/2017 1:13 PM, Marika Konings wrote: Please find attached two documents that aim to facilitate the discussion on items 6a. and 6b and agreement with regards to next steps. The documents aim to capture the comments and suggestions made to date in relation to these topics, as well as (for the objectives discussion) some specific questions the CCWG may want to consider in order to get to a preliminary agreement. The leadership team appreciates all the input that has been received to date via the mailing list, but would like to encourage you to add further comments / suggestions to these documents so that it is possible to keep everything in one place. Thanks, Marika From: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org><mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org><mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 16:33 To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org"<mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org><ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org><mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds on Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the upcoming new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC. Best regards, Marika Proposed agenda – CCWG-AP Meeting – Thursday 24 August 2017 1. Roll call 2. Welcome / DOI 3. Recap CCWG approach for dealing with the charter questions, role of surveys and consensus calls 4. Review responses to charter question #4 and discuss next steps (see https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-6GNDQHJ6/)[surveymonkey.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.surveymonkey.com_results_SM-2D6GNDQHJ6_-29&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=WK5KKfmT9TpIo0yovs2h4yITSZEVeo39lKv6SfT6lhg&s=y75gT-SBVOFdUPOZZHsnvDkarvj_Abd8BqdlNV4hbJM&e=> 5. Review responses to survey related to charter question #10, Should ICANN the organization be permitted to apply for auction proceeds funds (to participate: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HRRV93W[surveymonkey.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.surveymonkey.com_r_HRRV93W&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=WK5KKfmT9TpIo0yovs2h4yITSZEVeo39lKv6SfT6lhg&s=VI92yYtfoFwK-ROSHVxYYUAiwhkbeJuvHanBxVZ2ung&e=>) 6. Review redrafted objectives and examples (see mind map attached) a. Review and discuss input received concerning redrafted objectives b. Review and discuss input received on definition of ‘open internet’ c. Review examples 1. ICANN60 meeting planning – update (see https://icannorg.doodle.com/poll/atbdds59ii7ru3cs[icannorg.doodle.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icannorg.doodle.com_poll_atbdds59ii7ru3cs&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=WK5KKfmT9TpIo0yovs2h4yITSZEVeo39lKv6SfT6lhg&s=MVYkCwi-3nYpO7MDPsZYJnZSf7952C8jR9jddOkHo_Q&e=>) 2. Confirm next steps & next meeting (Thursday 7 September at 14.00 UTC) Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses[learn.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__learn.icann.org_courses_...> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gns...>. _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds

+1 Alan .. Kind Regards --Manal From: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:37 AM To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>; ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds on Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC I have missed several meetings, so perhaps I am misunderstanding, but I have some real difficulties with the Objectives as presented. What we have is: The overall objective of the allocation of new gTLD Auction Proceeds is to benefit the development, distribution and evolution of the Internet's unique identifier systems. Within this overall objective, priority should be given to support activities that: * Benefit capacity building and underserved populations * Benefit structures or projects that directly support the Internet's unique identifier systems * Benefit the Open Internet I think the bullet points are fine, but I have a hard time justifying why the first and third ones even fit under "benefit the development, distribution and evolution of the Internet's unique identifier systems". I would far prefer if the bullets were examples of objectives and we use words from the mission to constrain them. I do understand that if we are not careful we could endanger our tax status, and ensuring that this does not happen is important. But I think we also have a moral obligation ensure that subject to not harming ICANN, we use the funds to have the greatest possible impact. By having the mission of ICANN as a constrain and not the objective, we have a chance of doing that. I am glad to see that in this version, we have replaced reference to the DNS with the wider reference to unique identifiers which includes the addressing community. And since we are wholly dependent on the protocol community for much of what we do, and they are one on of the IANA customers, they should be included as well. It is the entire ecosystem within which ICANN functions that we should be striving to target, and not some narrow subset that ICANN does in its "day job". Alan At 22/08/2017 06:33 PM, Marika Konings wrote: Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the upcoming new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC. Best regards, Marika Proposed agenda – CCWG-AP Meeting – Thursday 24 August 2017< 1. Roll call 2. Welcome / DOI 3. Recap CCWG approach for dealing with the charter questions, role of surveys and consensus calls 4. Review responses to charter question #4 and discuss next steps (see https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-6GNDQHJ6/) 5. Review responses to survey related to charter question #10, Should ICANN the organization be permitted to apply for auction proceeds funds (to participate: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HRRV93W) 6. Review redrafted objectives and examples (see mind map attached) * Review and discuss input received concerning redrafted objectives * Review and discuss input received on definition of ‘open internet’ * Review examples 1. ICANN60 meeting planning – update (see https://icannorg.doodle.com/poll/atbdds59ii7ru3cs<https://icannorg.dooodle.com/poll/atbdds59ii7ru3cs>) 2. Confirm next steps & next meeting (Thursday 7 September at 14.00 UTC) Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Interrnet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. 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So glad you point this out, Alan. As I mentioned before, I really think that when the text of the objective was changed from what was originally shared on the survey, the change is really quite detrimental to what the fund will be able to achieve. The survey prioritize an objective to “benefit the development, distribution and evolution of the Internet” which can have qualifiers under the bullet points will provide additional information for applicants to prepare their applications. In most cases, when a fund opens a call, applicants have to explain how their project fit into the objectives of the program. Most times, applicants are required to be aligned with some (not all) of the descriptors used, including what elements of the “open Internet” definition that accompanies this process. On your comment about the IXP, I agree that support to actually set up IXPs is needed. In APNIC’s case we have been supporting quite a lot of IXPs in the Asia Pacific region, but our support for the most part, does not go the actual infrastructure purchase, but the development of capacity, design, community engagement, etc. The investment in actual equipment can be quite small, compared to what is needed on the development of capacity for management and operation and the support network of people that support the idea to actually succeed. It is very similar with the support for CERTs we have been working on over the past few years, not much goes towards equipment, but to support the development of the skills and the leadership of those managing them on the day to day basis. I do not think that having an objective that says “the Internet” will not be in any way, a challenge to ICANN’s tax status. There are financial mechanisms that allows for Mission Related Investments to be used to build a portfolio of projects or organizations that has ICANN mission as a start. Tides (in Boston) could provide advice. See MRIs https://www.tides.org/i-want-to/invest-with-values-further-my-mission/make-a... and check the fees https://www.tides.org/i-want-to/invest-with-values-further-my-mission/open-a... for administration (as an example) will be lower than 1%. If we could get advice from experts about investment mechanisms, such as donor advise funds, MRI, or others, I am sure this group will be more comfortable knowing that the objective of the fund does not have to be the ICANN mission to the letter, that it can be a bit broader, and still very much aligned with its mandate. Looking forward to a productive conversation soon… Regards, Sylvia ———— ** ISIF Asia call for grants proposals and award nominations is open until 30 August (midnight UTC) www.isif.asia<http://www.isif.asia/> - Get started and submit your application! ** Sylvia Cadena | sylvia@apnic.net<mailto:sylvia@apnic.net> | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation<http://www.apnic.foundation/> From: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Thursday, 24 August 2017 at 2:37 pm To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>, "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds on Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC I have missed several meetings, so perhaps I am misunderstanding, but I have some real difficulties with the Objectives as presented. What we have is: The overall objective of the allocation of new gTLD Auction Proceeds is to benefit the development, distribution and evolution of the Internet's unique identifier systems. Within this overall objective, priority should be given to support activities that: · Benefit capacity building and underserved populations · Benefit structures or projects that directly support the Internet's unique identifier systems · Benefit the Open Internet I think the bullet points are fine, but I have a hard time justifying why the first and third ones even fit under "benefit the development, distribution and evolution of the Internet's unique identifier systems". I would far prefer if the bullets were examples of objectives and we use words from the mission to constrain them. I do understand that if we are not careful we could endanger our tax status, and ensuring that this does not happen is important. But I think we also have a moral obligation ensure that subject to not harming ICANN, we use the funds to have the greatest possible impact. By having the mission of ICANN as a constrain and not the objective, we have a chance of doing that. I am glad to see that in this version, we have replaced reference to the DNS with the wider reference to unique identifiers which includes the addressing community. And since we are wholly dependent on the protocol community for much of what we do, and they are one on of the IANA customers, they should be included as well. It is the entire ecosystem within which ICANN functions that we should be striving to target, and not some narrow subset that ICANN does in its "day job". Alan At 22/08/2017 06:33 PM, Marika Konings wrote: Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the upcoming new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 24 August at 14.00 UTC. Best regards, Marika Proposed agenda – CCWG-AP Meeting – Thursday 24 August 2017< 1. Roll call 2. Welcome / DOI 3. Recap CCWG approach for dealing with the charter questions, role of surveys and consensus calls 4. Review responses to charter question #4 and discuss next steps (see https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-6GNDQHJ6/) 5. Review responses to survey related to charter question #10, Should ICANN the organization be permitted to apply for auction proceeds funds (to participate: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HRRV93W) 6. Review redrafted objectives and examples (see mind map attached) 1. Review and discuss input received concerning redrafted objectives 2. Review and discuss input received on definition of ‘open internet’ 3. Review examples 7. ICANN60 meeting planning – update (see https://icannorg.doodle.com/poll/atbdds59ii7ru3cs<https://icannorg.dooodle.com/poll/atbdds59ii7ru3cs>) 8. Confirm next steps & next meeting (Thursday 7 September at 14.00 UTC) Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Interrnet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. 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