Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd: Letter for your attention - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG
I totally agree with Judith on this one. I am concerned about the lack of understanding from the board about the importance of the preamble. Having a framework is key, it might be an imperfect one (as it is acknowledged on the text) but we need to start somewhere. I really hope that the board can provide more concrete input to improve the preamble/framework instead of discard it as the point of entrance for any applicants to assess if they might be eligible or not, if they can explain how their work is aligned with the overall objectives that the fund seeks to support so that they can commit the time and effort to prepare and submit a grant proposal. I am also concerned about their comments regarding some of the examples. Some of those examples are exactly how ICANN can support work that is aligned with its mission, but that it is not part of its own budget/work. It seems to me like there is a confusion on their side about ICANN’s very own budget and activities and those that other organizations could do, through projects funded with the auction proceeds. Other organizations have their own objectives and priorities. They apply for funding to organizations that have their own priorities and together, they set to achieve some proposed/agreed outcomes. In all my 23 years of experience with Internet for development granting, I have never encounter donors that expect that a grantee agrees 100% with them or contributes to all the objectives of the giving organization/program. It is a matter of alignment, finding common ground, agreeing in principle about how the outcomes will benefit both to achieve their mission. When I read the letter, it looks to me as if the board where considering consultancy agreements, not projects from other organizations. It is a very different relationship. Anyway, I look forward to further comments from the group to see how to move forward. Regards, Sylvia ———— Sylvia Cadena | sylvia@apnic.net<mailto:sylvia@apnic.net> | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation<http://www.apnic.foundation/> From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> Organization: Hellerstein & Associates Reply-To: Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> Date: Friday, 9 February 2018 at 8:55 am To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC HI All, I agree with Maureen as well. I was a bit concerned about the Board's comments on our examples of sample projects and think we may want to rethink these. I also was concerned about their not understanding the importance of the preamble on the open internet and its importance. I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction. We did not really discuss this on the call Cheers, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Website: www.jhellerstein.com<http://www.jhellerstein.com> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 2/8/2018 3:37 PM, Mei Lin Fung wrote: I agree with Maureen and would re-inforce that the Board's guidance on how our important mission of "an interoperable Internet" can be incorporated in the letter In fact, I believe doing this would assist in responding to the important point made by Nadira Alaraj - what is the motivation for them to help us with their guidance/thoughts/information An interoperable Internet is important so that all can participate in creating and enjoying the benefits of being connected to other people, businesses, employers and increase everyone's opportunities for being involved in economic, social and leisure activities Mei Lin Fung Organizer, People Centered Internet<http://www.peoplecentered.net/>, co-founded with Vint Cerf External advisor to the Stanford Center for Population Health Science<http://med.stanford.edu/phs.html> Member of the Global Future Council on Digital Economy and Society,<https://www.weforum.org/communities/the-future-of-the-digital-economy-and-so...> World Economic Forum Member of the Steering Committee, World Economic Forum, Internet for All<https://www.weforum.org/projects/internet-for-all> Vice Chair, Internet Inclusion, IEEE Internet Initiative<http://internetinitiative.ieee.org/> (e) mlf@alum.mit.edu<mailto:mlf@alum.mit.edu> ; mlfung@gmail.com<mailto:mlfiung@gmail.com> (t) meilinfung On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: My 2c following today's call.. The Board letter indicates that they were concerned about how specific our examples were in this initial update to the Board of the group's activities, but as we are now working towards a more ultimate outcome, our next step will no doubt be to look at these examples from a more high level about overall recommendations for potential applications, since we have just been through the comprehensive process of gathering these specific possibilities and discussing their pros and cons. And we have some examples of suggestions that were not considered appropriate. Although it is still the work of the group to provide its own guidelines for the uses of the fund, with reference to the issue of the group's intent to support ICANN's vision of an "interoperable internet", I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction, in order to pass on to potential applicants about how they might more appropriately use the funds to support this important ICANN purpose. Maureen On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 喬敬 <chiao@brandma.co<mailto:chiao@brandma.co>> wrote: FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-burr-to-mann-... ... in case some of you have not read the response. Thanks! Ching On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:10 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the attached documents and those linked below in advance of the meeting. Best regards, Marika Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – Thursday 8 February 2018 As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the “ntfy” (short for “notify”) mailing list to which members only are subscribed in a read-only mode. These details must not be circulated on the wider public WG mailing list. To avoid burdening the WG public mailing list, please send your apologies ahead of time (apologies after the call will no longer be taken into account) and your dial-out requests to the GNSO Secretariat: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> in advance of the meeting.. 1. Roll Call 2. Welcome / DOI & SOI updates 3. Finalization of letter for external experts (see latest version attached) 4. Review of response of Board Liaisons (see https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64075095/2018-01-31%20Maart... and attached) 5. Confirm next steps & date for next meeting (Thursday 22 February at 14.00 UTC) Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds -- Ching Chiao Founder & CEO Brandma Internet Group 中域国际集团 www.brandma.com<http://www.brandma.com> +886.918.211372<tel:+886%20918%20211%20372> || +86.135.2018.7032<tel:+86%20135%202018%207032> || +1.908.4990050<tel:+1%20908-499-0050> Beijing . Chengdu . Hangzhou . Hong Kong . Shenzhen. Taipei [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1fauo42GRv0RQ4K-mpql2LweFRCysI...] _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds
I am also aligned with you and Judith , could not make better points than yours. Thanks for sharing Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Sylvia Cadena <sylvia@apnic.net> Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 22:34 To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Fwd: Letter for your attention - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG I totally agree with Judith on this one. I am concerned about the lack of understanding from the board about the importance of the preamble. Having a framework is key, it might be an imperfect one (as it is acknowledged on the text) but we need to start somewhere. I really hope that the board can provide more concrete input to improve the preamble/framework instead of discard it as the point of entrance for any applicants to assess if they might be eligible or not, if they can explain how their work is aligned with the overall objectives that the fund seeks to support so that they can commit the time and effort to prepare and submit a grant proposal. I am also concerned about their comments regarding some of the examples. Some of those examples are exactly how ICANN can support work that is aligned with its mission, but that it is not part of its own budget/work. It seems to me like there is a confusion on their side about ICANN’s very own budget and activities and those that other organizations could do, through projects funded with the auction proceeds. Other organizations have their own objectives and priorities. They apply for funding to organizations that have their own priorities and together, they set to achieve some proposed/agreed outcomes. In all my 23 years of experience with Internet for development granting, I have never encounter donors that expect that a grantee agrees 100% with them or contributes to all the objectives of the giving organization/program. It is a matter of alignment, finding common ground, agreeing in principle about how the outcomes will benefit both to achieve their mission. When I read the letter, it looks to me as if the board where considering consultancy agreements, not projects from other organizations. It is a very different relationship. Anyway, I look forward to further comments from the group to see how to move forward. Regards, Sylvia ———— Sylvia Cadena | sylvia@apnic.net<mailto:sylvia@apnic.net> | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation<http://www.apnic.foundation/> From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> Organization: Hellerstein & Associates Reply-To: Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> Date: Friday, 9 February 2018 at 8:55 am To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting - Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC HI All, I agree with Maureen as well. I was a bit concerned about the Board's comments on our examples of sample projects and think we may want to rethink these. I also was concerned about their not understanding the importance of the preamble on the open internet and its importance. I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction. We did not really discuss this on the call Cheers, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com<mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Website: www.jhellerstein.com<http://www.jhellerstein.com> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 2/8/2018 3:37 PM, Mei Lin Fung wrote: I agree with Maureen and would re-inforce that the Board's guidance on how our important mission of "an interoperable Internet" can be incorporated in the letter In fact, I believe doing this would assist in responding to the important point made by Nadira Alaraj - what is the motivation for them to help us with their guidance/thoughts/information An interoperable Internet is important so that all can participate in creating and enjoying the benefits of being connected to other people, businesses, employers and increase everyone's opportunities for being involved in economic, social and leisure activities Mei Lin Fung Organizer, People Centered Internet<http://www.peoplecentered.net/>, co-founded with Vint Cerf External advisor to the Stanford Center for Population Health Science<http://med.stanford.edu/phs.html> Member of the Global Future Council on Digital Economy and Society,<https://www.weforum.org/communities/the-future-of-the-digital-economy-and-so...> World Economic Forum Member of the Steering Committee, World Economic Forum, Internet for All<https://www.weforum.org/projects/internet-for-all> Vice Chair, Internet Inclusion, IEEE Internet Initiative<http://internetinitiative.ieee.org/> (e) mlf@alum.mit.edu<mailto:mlf@alum.mit.edu> ; mlfung@gmail.com<mailto:mlfiung@gmail.com> (t) meilinfung On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: My 2c following today's call.. The Board letter indicates that they were concerned about how specific our examples were in this initial update to the Board of the group's activities, but as we are now working towards a more ultimate outcome, our next step will no doubt be to look at these examples from a more high level about overall recommendations for potential applications, since we have just been through the comprehensive process of gathering these specific possibilities and discussing their pros and cons. And we have some examples of suggestions that were not considered appropriate. Although it is still the work of the group to provide its own guidelines for the uses of the fund, with reference to the issue of the group's intent to support ICANN's vision of an "interoperable internet", I believe we would greatly benefit from more concrete advice from the Board about how we might be able achieve the intent of this direction, in order to pass on to potential applicants about how they might more appropriately use the funds to support this important ICANN purpose. Maureen On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM, 喬敬 <chiao@brandma.co<mailto:chiao@brandma.co>> wrote: FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-burr-to-mann-... ... in case some of you have not read the response. Thanks! Ching On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:10 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which is scheduled for Thursday 8 February at 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the attached documents and those linked below in advance of the meeting. Best regards, Marika Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – Thursday 8 February 2018 As a reminder, all conference call details will be circulated on the “ntfy” (short for “notify”) mailing list to which members only are subscribed in a read-only mode. These details must not be circulated on the wider public WG mailing list. To avoid burdening the WG public mailing list, please send your apologies ahead of time (apologies after the call will no longer be taken into account) and your dial-out requests to the GNSO Secretariat: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> in advance of the meeting.. 1. Roll Call 2. Welcome / DOI & SOI updates 3. Finalization of letter for external experts (see latest version attached) 4. Review of response of Board Liaisons (see https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64075095/2018-01-31%20Maart... and attached) 5. Confirm next steps & date for next meeting (Thursday 22 February at 14.00 UTC) Marika Konings Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds -- Ching Chiao Founder & CEO Brandma Internet Group 中域国际集团 www.brandma.com<http://www.brandma.com> +886.918.211372<tel:+886%20918%20211%20372> || +86.135.2018.7032<tel:+86%20135%202018%207032> || +1.908.4990050<tel:+1%20908-499-0050> Beijing . Chengdu . Hangzhou . Hong Kong . Shenzhen. Taipei [ttps://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1fauo42GRv0RQ4K-mpql2LweFRCysIu5V&revid=0B0ds9cEKjIebVjhFQj] _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds _______________________________________________ Ccwg-auctionproceeds mailing list Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org<mailto:Ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-auctionproceeds
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