Dear
Wang Wei,
Yes,
I understand. Even though U+3007 is a CJK symbol( not categorized as a CJK
ideograph), it is used in real text
to mean zero alongside of 一、二、…. Also by
adding it as the simplified/lower-case of 零, we
have a tighter rule in its use compared to not including it. Since JGP already
imported it, it is good to include it as the simplified/lower-case of 零.
Best
regards,
Lu Qin
From: 王伟
[mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn]
Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:10
AM
To: 'Zhang Joe' <JoeZhang43@hotmail.com>; 'Yao HEALTH'
<healthyao@hotmail.com>; csluqin@comp.polyu.edu.hk; bjlgy@bnu.edu.cn;
'Zhang Zhoucai' <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>
Cc:
ChineseGP@icann.org
Subject: 答复: [ChineseGP]RE:
question about ?? and 零
Dear all
U+3007
doesn’t not exist in CDNC IDN
Table
I
raised this question because JGP imported U+3007 ?? in
their latest repertoire.
That’s why we need to review the relationship between
?? and 零
again.
发件人: Zhang Joe [mailto:JoeZhang43@hotmail.com]
发送时间: 2017年6月8日 7:53
收件人: Yao HEALTH <healthyao@hotmail.com>; csluqin@comp.polyu.edu.hk; Wang Wei
<wangwei@cnic.cn>; bjlgy@bnu.edu.cn; 'Zhang Zhoucai' <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>
抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org
主题: 答复: [ChineseGP]RE: question
about ?? and 零
重要性: 高
Dear
all,
Sorry that I was
confused by the word “new character” in Wang Wei’s email. Now it is clear that
this is an issue purely with CGP-JGP, not IRG. The character ?? U+3007 has been
encoded since the first version of Unicode/CJK.
Concerning the
question about ??
and 零, I have some points:
1.
They are the
corresponding member in the two common frequently-used subsets “??一二三四五六七八九十 “ and “ 零壹贰叁肆伍陆柒捌玖拾”.
2.
The traditional form
of “ 零壹贰叁肆伍陆柒捌玖拾” are “ 零壹?E三肆伍??柒捌玖拾” used in Taiwan and
Hongkong, Some characters may have more forms, say 叁
or参.
3.
?? and 零may regarded as somehow low case-uppercase relation, or
simplified -unsimplified ones. Whatever you consider they are, they have the
same meaning as ideographic number zero. By LGR definition ,they are VARIANT
each other. Even if they are simplified ?C traditional
relationship which still belong to VARIANT concept .
4.
I remember that
TLD-LGR does not require variants must have the ALL meaning(s) are the
same.
In
summary,
It
is OK to treat ?? as a variant
of 零 in TLD-LGR scope.
Thanks,
Zhang
发件人: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org]
代表 Yao HEALTH
发送时间: 2017年6月7日 15:09
收件人: csluqin@comp.polyu.edu.hk; Wang Wei
<wangwei@cnic.cn>; bjlgy@bnu.edu.cn; 'Zhang Zhoucai' <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>
抄送: ChineseGP@icann.org
主题: [ChineseGP] Re: [ChineseGP]RE: question about ?? and 零
Hello,
I
agree with Professor LuQin's point.
Pls kindly consider the following words
in section 2.6 of RFC5892(for IDNA )
F: cp is in {00B7,
00DF, 0375, 03C2, 05F3, 05F4, 0640,
0660,
0661, 0662, 0663, 0664, 0665, 0666, 0667,
0668,
0669, 06F0, 06F1, 06F2, 06F3, 06F4, 06F5,
06F6,
06F7, 06F8, 06F9, 06FD, 06FE, 07FA, 0F0B,
3007,
302E, 302F, 3031, 3032, 3033, 3034, 3035,
303B,
30FB}
This category explicitly lists code points for which
the category
cannot be assigned using only the core property
values that exist in
the Unicode standard. The values are
according to the table below:
PVALID -- Would otherwise have been
DISALLOWED
00DF; PVALID # LATIN SMALL LETTER
SHARP S
03C2; PVALID # GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL
SIGMA
06FD; PVALID # ARABIC SIGN SINDHI
AMPERSAND
06FE; PVALID # ARABIC SIGN SINDHI
POSTPOSITION MEN
0F0B; PVALID # TIBETAN MARK
INTERSYLLABIC TSHEG
3007; PVALID #
IDEOGRAPHIC NUMBER ZERO
It means that U+3007 is only allowed as
the number zero, otherwise it will not allowed in use in IDNA
protocols.
零 can be used to express many meanings
besides the number zero, but ?? can be only used as the
number zero In IDNA.
?? is a special code point in IDNA while
零 is a normal code point.
so it may be not proper that
?? is regarded as a variant to 零 based on IDNA protocols.
Best
Regards
Jiankang
Yao
发送时间: 2017-06-07 13:50
收件人: '王伟'; bjlgy@bnu.edu.cn; 'Zhang Zhoucai'
主题: [ChineseGP]RE:
question about ?? and 零
Dear
Wang Wei,
What
is the U code of this Japanese? I think U+3007 being considered the
simplified form of 零 is a
good one, simply consider it as variant is not as good. But, U+3007 is
considered a CJK symbol, not a CJK ideograph.
Best
regards,
LuQin
From:
王伟
[mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn]
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 1:48 PM
To: 'Qin Lu'
<csluqin@comp.polyu.edu.hk>;
bjlgy@bnu.edu.cn;
'Zhang Zhoucai' <joe.zhang@unihan.com.cn>
Cc:
ChineseGP@icann.org
Subject:
question about ?? and
零
Dear Prof. Lu, Prof. Li and Prof.
Zhang
尊敬的陆老师,李老师,张老师
JGP provided its
latest repertoire in which a new character ?? was
added.
do you think ?? should be an independent character, or, a variant to 零 ?
在最新的日本字集里,加入了字符“??”
你们认为??是否应设为零的异体,还是独立成字?
Looking forward to
your suggestion
Regards
WANG
Wei